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Old 01-20-2011, 01:43 AM
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

I've tried just about everything suggested here and I can't get my iPhone 4 or iPhone 3GS to connect through the center console USB port. I have the latest software updates installed on both. I've tried turning off Bluetooth and also turning on the "airplane" mode. No matter what I try I get the read error message.

Very frustrating! I could put music on the HDD but managing it and getting the podcasts installed every few days would be a real pain! I'd just like to use my iPhone and carry around only a single device that does it all.

You would think that this would kind of work. They should issue a statement or a fix or something. By the way, my Jeep was just delivered last week so it should have the latest 430N software installed. (you'd think anyway)

I can kinda get my iPhone 4 to stream music via Blue Tooth but it drops out too much for my taste and you can get the sped up music on occasion. However, I don't think that the sound quality is great via Bluetooth.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:21 AM
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

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I've tried just about everything suggested here and I can't get my iPhone 4 or iPhone 3GS to connect through the center console USB port. I have the latest software updates installed on both. I've tried turning off Bluetooth and also turning on the "airplane" mode. No matter what I try I get the read error message.

Very frustrating! I could put music on the HDD but managing it and getting the podcasts installed every few days would be a real pain! I'd just like to use my iPhone and carry around only a single device that does it all.

You would think that this would kind of work. They should issue a statement or a fix or something. By the way, my Jeep was just delivered last week so it should have the latest 430N software installed. (you'd think anyway)

I can kinda get my iPhone 4 to stream music via Blue Tooth but it drops out too much for my taste and you can get the sped up music on occasion. However, I don't think that the sound quality is great via Bluetooth.
I agree Chuck- I bit the bullet and decided to just load the HDD full up. The folder system makes it easy to find songs, especially from loading them out of iTunes. I really like the random feature someone pointed out earlier... Hope they do eventually fix the bug because it is frustrating as hell.
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

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I agree Chuck- I bit the bullet and decided to just load the HDD full up. The folder system makes it easy to find songs, especially from loading them out of iTunes. I really like the random feature someone pointed out earlier... Hope they do eventually fix the bug because it is frustrating as hell.
Is there an FAQ on how to best load music onto the hard drive? You mentioned folders, for instance.

I don't want to end up with 10,000 songs all grouped together!

I did create a data DVD which just contained 75 songs in the root directory. (i.e., no sub folders).

When I put in another disk with 200 songs will they just be added to the existing 75? What if I mistakenly have 10 duplicate songs? Will they appear twice?

These are the kind of questions that I have and I don't want to get too frustrated with this HDD feature and end up giving up on it prematurely.

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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

chuckb, strongly suggest you patrol the boards here and soak up the knowledge. There is not a formal FAQ per se but plenty of detailed posts and experiences shared by other members that will be very helpful. In the meantime here are a couple of quick answers to your questions:

1. The built-in Gracenote database seems to be an effective file management resource for those who dump songs en masse onto the HDD. It will group them for you by artist, album, etc. However, many of us prefer to take the extra step and organize files on a USB drive by album or playlist before uploading via the port on the face of the head unit. That way you know exactly how things are going to be organized.

2. It IS possible to duplicate songs. I was not sure that one particular folder (playlist) loaded properly so I did a second pass and sure enough it created a duplicate folder. It is not hard to delete dupes using the 430n's file mgmt tools. Just be aware that the interface makes you think you might be about to delete the entire drive at first. Once you drill down, you will see it gives you a chance to select which folders you wish to delete.

3. You can definitely load songs in waves and add to existing data without replacing it. This is the only way to go if you have a flash drive of limited capacity. Some members have loaded enormous amounts of content in single sitting but that introduces other issues such as how to keep the WK2 powered up during an extended import session. Depends on your preferences and resources.
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

Is the 430N RHB radio compatible with the 3rd generation Apple iPod Touch through the USB port in the center console?
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

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I think the sound of .m4a files are clearer and 'brighter' vs. .mp3 files I've downloaded. Granted, the majority of these files are from back in the ol' Napster days, so a CD ripped from my collection as .m4a to me, sounds better. The all day event was due to a 4GB USB transfer limit on the stick and weeding through which files were good to go.
it completely depends on the bitrate in which they were originally encoded. Both .m4a (which are basically unprotected .mp4 audio files) and .mp3 use similar encoding techniques and both are fairly lossy below 128kbps. Here is some good info on the different formats.
  • At low bitrates up to 128 kbps, MP3 performs worse and may produce compression artifacts (sounds you don't want) more compared to other lossy formats like AAC, WMA and OGG.
  • At higher than 128 kbps, differences between formats become miniscule
  • VBR is a perfectly good way to preserve disk space while still enjoying high quality lossy files.
  • Most people can't reliably discern 160 kbps bitrate from 320 and even uncompressed.
  • 160 / 192 kbps (192 considered the "safest choice") should be good enough quality for most people.
  • 256 or higher is only recommended for those with very good hearing and good audio equipment.
  • Files with a VBR from 128 to 256 (though you could as well cap it at 320) should satisfy most quality-wise while being the most disk-space preserving option. It's likely a good safe bet for all.
  • From a practical point of view, 256 and 320 kbps lossy files sufficiently approach CD quality enough to make "lossless" files like flac files an unnecessary waste of disk space.
  • Also, lossy formats that can be encoded higher than 320 - no need.
Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...#ixzz1BmucigA5

All of my non-drm .wma or .mp4 files are encoded at a minimum of 128kbps for high audio quality.
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

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it completely depends on the bitrate in which they were originally encoded...Here is some good info on the different formats.
Thanks, Mashie. I was aware of this info in bits and pieces but this is a nice compendium; in fact, I am printing it out and will use it to verify my iTunes import settings.

I have very good hearing but with road noise and everything, I don't have a need to overdo it on the bitrate.
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

hey guys, I see some people have issues using their iPod. Is there a difference if your ipod is formatted for Windows or for Mac?
I was thinking maybe the System in the GC has problems reading the mac formatted ones.
can anyone shed some light here?
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

Well at first my car was recognizing my iPhone 4 but would not play any of the songs. It even listed playlists and songs but nothing coming over the speakers. So I then went and did a update on the phone....now, nothing. Oh well, I think I found a better solution, will just take me the better part of an evening and several beers to do it. I'm ripping most of the songs/favorite playlists off of my ipod and turning them into mp3s using an ipod rip software, then will transfer them to a memory stick and then put them on the HDD. I had my old ipod in the armrest but it takes forever once the car starts up for you to access it.

Also, unlike the HDD, with the ipod you can't search by typing in a name, you have to scroll down the entire list if you want to get to an artist that begins with a W or Z.
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Let me throw in another question/ issue into the mix:
- did anyone that have had their music loaded via the hdd, had their album artwork "system" working?

No matter which way I try loading music, the only way I got it working was when I loaded an "original" cd. Which kind of sucks, as I have most of my music in digital format nowadays...
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Also, unlike the HDD, with the ipod you can't search by typing in a name, you have to scroll down the entire list if you want to get to an artist that begins with a W or Z.
You might want to double-check that search function, PMD. I have an old iPhone (granted, it's not an iPod but should work the same for this purpose) connected to the center console USB. Regardless of how I view my music (Artist, Playlist, Songs, etc.), I get the "A-Z" button that lets me type in search characters (see attached). You can also use voice commands to search on an iPod.

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No matter which way I try loading music, the only way I got it working was when I loaded an "original" cd.
That appears to be the state of affairs with the 430n right now, at least until the fabled software update is released. It's also why only 1-2 of my playlists have album art. I decided that my time was a bigger priority than gazing at a small, low-rez album cover (though it does bug me when stuff doesn't work as advertised). In the meantime, my default picture is a snapshot from the day I took delivery of my WK2. Now THAT is an image I can enjoy over and over.
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Re: 430N and iPod resolution

My iPhone 3GS running IOS 4.0.1 had the problems described here via USB. But now it works. I'm not sure what I did to get it working, but here's some possibilities.

- keep iTunes as the open app during the "reading" phase after the device is connected and you picked it as the source.

- if it is taking too long unplug the device. And then plug it back in. For me "too long" is over 90 seconds. I have about 4000 songs on my iPhone.
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