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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

Hey,

You should not need any ridiculous "harness".

Your bus speed is the same, and all the connectors are the same.

You may have to program the car for a RER via the witech tools at the dealer because they may not have the RHR in stock or program codes.

Also, you may need to add an antenna. The RHB is an EPROM gps flash, they also use the same antenna for Sirius as they do GPS, the RHR I believe has a different farka connection... May still work though. The others have always been separate.

As for voice recognition, the new ones are WAY better.

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Old 05-06-2011, 09:10 AM
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

When I bought my Overland the dealer refused to do a swap with one of the several Limiteds on the lot that had RHRs. They offered to sell me a 730 RHR at cost from parts. That’s when the fun began…
First it was back ordered for over a month. Once I finally got it I did the install (which took all of 5 minutes). Then I discovered that Voice Command did not work. I have a tenant that works for a dealer here in Chicago and asked him to talk to his best technician. He had me come in and tried his best to make it work updating both the car and Dealer Connect. His diagnostics were showing that the microphone was not functioning. I put the RHB back in and went on my way with a promise from the tech that he’d call Chrysler to figure it out.
Sure enough he was told that it needs a harness (PN 82211666) that connects the radio with the mirror microphone and to get the remote USB port to work the USB needs to be disconnected from the external Hands Free module and a mini USB Jumper Cable (PN 68068278AA) needs to be installed as well. He gave me the printout detailing all this and yes, it is specific to the RHR.
The dealer that sold me the radio said it would be plug and play. In their defense it doesn’t appear that our friends at Chrysler made any notation anywhere in the parts system. I guess these douchebags never envisioned anyone doing an upgrade.
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

Hello bigbore. Am I reading you correctly, that you successfully did replace your 430N with the 730N RHR? Really want to know, as my dealer says he is STILL waiting for the harness to be made - so can't do it yet.
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

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Hello bigbore. Am I reading you correctly, that you successfully did replace your 430N with the 730N RHR? Really want to know, as my dealer says he is STILL waiting for the harness to be made - so can't do it yet.
Nothing to report yet since I just ordered the parts on Friday. The microphone harness (82211666) looks like it's used in several applications over several model years besides our vehicles so unless it's on back order the dealer may be referring to the usb to usb adapter. I could live without the usb for a while if that's the case. I'll check with my dealer tomorrow regarding the status on both and get back with you.

In my mind the biggest issue is the lack of information the dealers have on making the swap. As much as I hate to defend a dealer it seems like both the parts guys and the techs are flying by the seat of their pants. I'm hoping that the tech will be able to tell me where the U Connect module is located so I don't have to spend a ton of time looking for it. The usb has to be disconnected from the module and plugged into the jumper which goes to the RHR. No one can tell me if the U Connect has to be unplugged as well. I guess it's going to be trial and error time...
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

SO anxious to hear how it all goes - as many others probably are too... Good luck, and I'll be watching for your post updates! Thanks for treading unknown waters!
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

According to my dealer neither cable is showing up as being on backorder. They are estimating Friday or Monday as an eta. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

Sorry to say but it's not looking good. I got the parts that I was told to order but it doesn't appear that they are going to work. While there are no instructions specific to the 2011 GC in the installation documents it looks like the new microphone cable is intended to plug into the mirror and the existing mirror connector is supposed to plug into the other connector on the harness. The trouble is that the connectors are different (16 pin on the harness and 20 pin on the mirror). I even found the Uconnect module in hopes that it might plug in there to no avail. The dealer is stumped as am I. I just got off of the phone with Jeep customer service. They told me that they don't handle technical issues since they rely on their dealers to handle them but opened a case escalating it to a senior customer service person. I'm supposed to get a call back tomorrow. I'm thinking that there might be a shiny new 730N RHR on eBay in a few days...
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

Dog gone it. (Trying to keep language clean). I was really hoping for you. My dealer said that there is a harness in the works - but may take a few more months to get. Don't ebay your 730N. I'll post as I find out more as well.
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

This is the tech tip from Chrysler - If upgrading a vehicle from a low line radio that has factory installed U-Connect with an external hands free module (HFM) to an RHR NAV radio with an internal HFM, be sure to also order and install the MOPAR wiring harness (PN 82211666). This harness will connect the upgraded RHR radio directly to the factory rear view mirror with integrated microphone and bypass the external HFM that is no longer needed. Otherwise, the HFM voice recognition function will not work. In order to get the remote USB port (if equipped) to work, the mini USB must be disconnected from the external HFM and connected to the back of the RHR radio. Part number 68068278AA is a mini USB jumper cable with male mini USB connectors on both ends. The RHR radio uses a dual satellite radio/GPS antenna (part number 05064350AA). All 2011 model year vehicles that came with a navigation radio should already have this antenna from the factory.
I haven't done this swap yet, so IDK if they put the right connectors or not
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

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This is the tech tip from Chrysler - If upgrading a vehicle from a low line radio that has factory installed U-Connect with an external hands free module (HFM) to an RHR NAV radio with an internal HFM, be sure to also order and install the MOPAR wiring harness (PN 82211666). This harness will connect the upgraded RHR radio directly to the factory rear view mirror with integrated microphone and bypass the external HFM that is no longer needed. Otherwise, the HFM voice recognition function will not work. In order to get the remote USB port (if equipped) to work, the mini USB must be disconnected from the external HFM and connected to the back of the RHR radio. Part number 68068278AA is a mini USB jumper cable with male mini USB connectors on both ends. The RHR radio uses a dual satellite radio/GPS antenna (part number 05064350AA). All 2011 model year vehicles that came with a navigation radio should already have this antenna from the factory.
I haven't done this swap yet, so IDK if they put the right connectors or not
That's exactly the same information I received and subsequently ordered both those parts. When I checked the Mopar website again I noticed that it specifies that it "will not work with LMS sales code" which, best as I can tell refers to Smart Beam equipped vehicles. Of course, that's whats on my Overland. I've had a couple of thoughts including jumpering the microphone wires at the U Connect module and running them to the radio from there (since the U connect is supposed to be unplugged anyway after the radio swap) but truthfully I'm pretty tired of the hassle. For those of you that are wondering, the U connect module is located just to the left of the steering column. The mini USB in the console has a connector on the passenger side of the console. Just pull the panel off and you'll see it right there in front of you.
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Re: 430N (RHB) to 730N (RHR) conversion question

Thanks for all the good info bigbore (and others). Just wanted to make sure I'm understanding correctly. Everything about the 730N is working except for the Voice Command feature? Reason I ask, is that I think I've finally found a Jeep that has everything I want except that it has the 430N. I may be able to live without the voice command ... at least for a while until they have a way to make this work.

I would be completely fine with the 430N except for the fact that the bluetooth audio streaming does not work with the iPhone 4 unless the iPhone 4's screen is completely turned off. When it's on, the music sounds choppy and fast. I tried it out on a couple different vehicles at a dealer a week or so ago. The 730N never had this problem, which is why I'm interested in it.
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Thanks for all the good info bigbore (and others). Just wanted to make sure I'm understanding correctly. Everything about the 730N is working except for the Voice Command feature? Reason I ask, is that I think I've finally found a Jeep that has everything I want except that it has the 430N. I may be able to live without the voice command ... at least for a while until they have a way to make this work.

I would be completely fine with the 430N except for the fact that the bluetooth audio streaming does not work with the iPhone 4 unless the iPhone 4's screen is completely turned off. When it's on, the music sounds choppy and fast. I tried it out on a couple different vehicles at a dealer a week or so ago. The 730N never had this problem, which is why I'm interested in it.
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Sorry, the site would not allow me to reply to your pm because I haven't made enough posts (what @#%#@!). I'll reply here...

I got a special deal on my 730 because the dealer goofed up on a few things and they must have figured that they'd better honor the price they quoted me or risk getting sued. I have friends in the car business that gave me the name of a law firm that specializes in litigation against dealers. Funny how they became more reasonable when I mentioned the firm.

Anyway, to answer your question, I remember being told that the dealer's actual cost was somewhere around $1475. A good price is around $1700 though they are hard to get so most dealers are sticking closer to retail ($2100). There's one thing I want you to be clear about- It's also the hands-free that won't work, not only the voice command, which is a really big deal for me. I don't know what model GC you're looking at but if it's not an Overland or another model without the Smart Beam feature (which dims the high beams automatically) the same cables I got might make it work completely. The cables are about a $140 but installing them will probably result in being charged about 2 hours of labor. The radio itself would take less than 10 minutes to swap, even for a novice.

You're right the price they quoted you seems kind of stiff. For me it would also depend on what I'm paying for the vehicle. I got a great deal on mine paying $1200 under invoice for a Black/New Saddle Hemi Overland so having to mess around with buying the 730 outright and then planning on selling the 430 didn't bother me much. At least I didn't feel that way back then. Now... well that's a different story.

Hope this helps. I wish you the best of luck. Let me know how it works out.

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