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Re: All-New and Easy-to-Use 'Uconnect Access' Services

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The modem is soldiered on to the circuit board. Bummer, I know.
Aww that sucks.

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So our jeeps with all this cool tech will have obsolete communication in a few years. Freakin' awesome.
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Re: All-New and Easy-to-Use 'Uconnect Access' Services

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Wouldn't it be great if Chrysler/Jeep would use the built-in 3G to pipe in the software and firmware updates/TSB's/Recalls/etc.? I mean, if the technology is already in the vehicle, why are trip(s) to the dealer required? Even Microsoft lets you decide to automatically update Windows, or notify you when an update is available. Why not Jeep?
exactly. It's essentially a smartphone/tablet stuck in the dash. The OS is the same as the blackberry playbook for example. There's over 100 million smartphones in the US and plenty more tablets. So that means that there are tens of millions of updates delivered over the air each year with no significant issues.

the trip to the dealer is moronic.

Just like a phone or tablet they should push the updates to the device and if for some crazy reason there's a problem (or you live someplace without sprint coverage) then you could download the USB version or drive to the dealer and let them do it.

The inability to use the full potential of the thing drives me nutto.
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Sometimes a Microsoft update messes something up, but it doesn't leave you stranded on the side of the road.


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I'm not certain but i think the worst that could happen if the radio were to bork would be your heated seats wouldn't work. The vehicle will still run.

I probably wouldnt be all that into random PCM updates while i'm driving down the highway in todays vehicles, but even there there's ways to do things so they fail safe- probably would require changes to how they do things hardware wise but prime example are space ships- they just do things in duplicate and so if one gets borked you fall back to the known working version. Even TiVo figured that out a decade ago and they kept 2 copies of their OS on their boxes at all times. More modern hardware actually keeps just a very low level of bootable software in firmware and if the OS is fubared then it just downloads a fresh version on the spot.

Anyway- the funny thing is there's a story here or on another forum someplace where someone was getting their update at the dealer but there was a power outage which messed up the dealers network and so the radio got bricked while the dealer was updating.

There's just no reason not to do over the air updates on the radio at this point in history.
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Re: All-New and Easy-to-Use 'Uconnect Access' Services

Hahaha, no kidding. You know, i wonder if in the future someone will come out with an aftermarket radio for the Wk2 with all these fancy options(IS in my co. uses that word when we ask for enhancements to our systems).
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So our jeeps with all this cool tech will have obsolete communication in a few years. Freakin' awesome.
I dont think it's a major issue. I think part of the reason Chrysler picked sprint was probably that sprint has a strategy to keep their older networks running so they can pick up all the people that dont want to upgrade to LTE with verizon (and perhaps ATT?).

Verizon is planning on killing off and 3g in the not too distant future- certainly the network will be degraded in the lifetime of these vehicles. But Sprint is committed to the "long term" support of not just 3g but even 2g. Who knows what "long term" means but hopefully Chrysler got some sort of guarantee when they picked sprint 3g so that.

2G Information

verizon on the other hand is already moving parts of their 3g network to 4g -
https://gigaom.com/2014/12/03/verizo...-room-for-lte/

So if the choice was 3G for whatever reason (maybe 4g was still pricey when the hardware was first prototyped, maybe they didn't want to have to do 3G and 4g radios and the coverage just wasn't there until now, maybe there is some giant discount they get for using 3g instead of 4g) then it seems sprint was the better provider to go compared to verizon.
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Re: All-New and Easy-to-Use 'Uconnect Access' Services

I know everyone like the "latest and greatest" technology-wise, but a previous poster was right. These vehicles are not doing anything so data-intensive that 4G/LTE is necessary, or even desirable. And this will continue to be true for quite some time. Clamoring for LTE is kind of ridiculous--you're wasting all that extra bandwidth and paying more (hardware-wise) for something you don't need or have any way of using.

Plus, there's an advantage to staying on 3G right now (which offers plenty of bandwidth for what these vehicles need) -- as more smartphones go LTE, congestion on the 3G side will diminish.
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I disagree. Sprint has a very spotty network and 3G itself will be obsolete very soon. Sprint is on the verge of bankruptcy. Also, utilizing the vehicle's 3G as a hotspot is completely useless.


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I disagree. Sprint has a very spotty network and 3G itself will be obsolete very soon. Sprint is on the verge of bankruptcy. Also, utilizing the vehicle's 3G as a hotspot is completely useless.


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honestly i can't speak to bankruptcy- I'd assume the softbank guy is all in to the limits of his finances but no idea what they means real work. But I'd GUESS someone would buy the network and run it if they were going to totally just go out of business- probably google if no one else.

I'll completely agree that sprint's network is spotty at least compared to Verizon (dont know ATT). My wife's latest minivan came with the hotspot feature (they didn't have the 8.4 in that yet so it's a stand alone router under the passenger seat). We tried to use it- tried being the operative word- when we first got it for a trip down I95 from NYC area to Disney. That's like one of the most traveled routes in America yet the coverage was so crappy I wanted to through the hotspot out the window after half the trip. It constantly lost service. Gave up and got a verizon 4g hotspot/ delphi connect for $10 a month to share my verizon data plan and couldn't be more satisfied with the coverage. And therefore i'd agree that a sprint 3G hotspot in a moving vehicle for any sizable trip is close to useless for sure.

So I wouldn't argue that they picked the best covering network at all.

That said though- the price to use the hotspot feature on uconnect 8.4 is such a rip off that i'd just use my own smartphone's hotspot first. So me personally the hotspot isn't a deal breaker- but i could see how someone who wanted that would want to poke their eye out using the uconnect.

BUT, what does "obsolete" mean in terms of 3G? If it is lit up, has the same coverage as it always did, and is "fast enough" to do what the Uconnect needs than who cares if it's not 4g, 5g, or 6g? Is 2G obsolete becasue 3g has been around so long? Verizon who has a very solid voice network until like a few months ago was completing every single call on their network with 2g, and only just recently started using 4G VoLTE on a few smartphone headsets when LTE is available- and I HATE when it connects my call with 4G- it's like 2005 all over again- their 2G is SO MUCH MORE ROCK SOLID. If I need to make an important call or am driving a while while on the phone i downloaded an app to shut down down 4G so i can be assured the call connects over 2G.

Honestly for the little bit of data that is moving on the network for uconnect I think 2g's 144 kbps is probably even enough. You type a search in Yelp- literally how many characters do you need to send them- 10?20? 30? They reply with the results- literally how many characters do they send back? a few hundred? Maybe a few thousand? using this calculator:
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and jknowing that an ascii character is basically 1 byte. The yelp app would need to send 20,000 characters to even take 1 complete second. How many characters is a remote start command? It might even be a text message and not even data.

For all the existing and announced apps there's no need for more than 3G.
You couldn't PAY me to use a sprint 3g hotspot- but for the radio's apps 3G just does the job and will until Sprint starts shutting down that network.
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honestly i can't speak to bankruptcy- I'd assume the softbank guy is all in to the limits of his finances but no idea what they means real work. But I'd GUESS someone would buy the network and run it if they were going to totally just go out of business- probably google if no one else.

I'll completely agree that sprint's network is spotty at least compared to Verizon (dont know ATT). My wife's latest minivan came with the hotspot feature (they didn't have the 8.4 in that yet so it's a stand alone router under the passenger seat). We tried to use it- tried being the operative word- when we first got it for a trip down I95 from NYC area to Disney. That's like one of the most traveled routes in America yet the coverage was so crappy I wanted to through the hotspot out the window after half the trip. It constantly lost service. Gave up and got a verizon 4g hotspot/ delphi connect for $10 a month to share my verizon data plan and couldn't be more satisfied with the coverage. And therefore i'd agree that a sprint 3G hotspot in a moving vehicle for any sizable trip is close to useless for sure.

So I wouldn't argue that they picked the best covering network at all.

That said though- the price to use the hotspot feature on uconnect 8.4 is such a rip off that i'd just use my own smartphone's hotspot first. So me personally the hotspot isn't a deal breaker- but i could see how someone who wanted that would want to poke their eye out using the uconnect.

BUT, what does "obsolete" mean in terms of 3G? If it is lit up, has the same coverage as it always did, and is "fast enough" to do what the Uconnect needs than who cares if it's not 4g, 5g, or 6g? Is 2G obsolete becasue 3g has been around so long? Verizon who has a very solid voice network until like a few months ago was completing every single call on their network with 2g, and only just recently started using 4G VoLTE on a few smartphone headsets when LTE is available- and I HATE when it connects my call with 4G- it's like 2005 all over again- their 2G is SO MUCH MORE ROCK SOLID. If I need to make an important call or am driving a while while on the phone i downloaded an app to shut down down 4G so i can be assured the call connects over 2G.

Honestly for the little bit of data that is moving on the network for uconnect I think 2g's 144 kbps is probably even enough. You type a search in Yelp- literally how many characters do you need to send them- 10?20? 30? They reply with the results- literally how many characters do they send back? a few hundred? Maybe a few thousand? using this calculator:
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and jknowing that an ascii character is basically 1 byte. The yelp app would need to send 20,000 characters to even take 1 complete second. How many characters is a remote start command? It might even be a text message and not even data.

For all the existing and announced apps there's no need for more than 3G.
You couldn't PAY me to use a sprint 3g hotspot- but for the radio's apps 3G just does the job and will until Sprint starts shutting down that network.
Great post overall. However, I will say that there are more differences between 3G and 4G than just bandwidth/speed. The bottom line though is that Chrysler chose Sprint 3G because they saved money. They did this by contracting Sprint (budget/cheaper carrier) and by going with 3G. Their decision was almost completely one of economics.
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Great post overall. However, I will say that there are more differences between 3G and 4G than just bandwidth/speed. The bottom line though is that Chrysler chose Sprint 3G because they saved money. They did this by contracting Sprint (budget/cheaper carrier) and by going with 3G. Their decision was almost completely one of economics.
agreed. It's cheaper and they decided it was "good enough"

sounds like you know a bit about 3g vs 4g - so I'll ask-

I know that 4G also apparently has lower latency- but again i'd GUESS for this use case that's not critical. I'm honestly pretty ignorant though- so would that matter?

And also I know LTE does native IPV6- would that matter for this? I have seen that for device to device that is probably better. So I am under the impression that would make things easier perhaps one day but that IPV4 on 3g is still serviceable for the foreseeable future. Or is it more complicated then that?

is it relevant that there are new rf bands involved for 4G?

are there other things going on?
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So for which model years will the new features be available?
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