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Apple "Eyes Free"

Is that going to be available on 2014 WK2? I know that they are rolling out new U Connect.

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Re: Apple "Eyes Free"

ahh you beat me to it. Hopefully it's just a software update, so the rest of us can enjoy this, too. Using UConnect is kinda Busch League compared to Siri.
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Re: Apple "Eyes Free"

It's WAY more cheesy than you think.

All this is is a crappy little remote you strap on to your steering wheel and it controls your ipod. It's very much like the old clip on remotes for stereos when cars didn't have radio controls on the wheel. All the Apple fanboys will go crazy over it though.

That said, I do wish there was a voice command portion to the handsfree profile over bluetooth. Android could use the voice commands it's had for several years before the fanboys thought about it, and Apple users can continue to use Siri for its snarky comments. Windows Phone and WebOS owners can wish they had any other phone. BlackBerry users won't care because they will be at work.
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Re: Apple "Eyes Free"

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It's WAY more cheesy than you think.

All this is is a crappy little remote you strap on to your steering wheel and it controls your ipod. It's very much like the old clip on remotes for stereos when cars didn't have radio controls on the wheel.
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ahh you beat me to it. Hopefully it's just a software update, so the rest of us can enjoy this, too. Using UConnect is kinda Busch League compared to Siri.
I have the 4 so no Siri yet (waiting on the next one). Would there be any way to use the uconnect button? some kind of mod? Also, these phones are going to leave our jeeps navigation in the dust. Would love it if lockpic would implement AirPlay to get the iPhones screen on the jeeps display or can you already do that if the iPhone is plugged into the lockpic?
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I apologize, this is correct. This is simply an upgrade to the handsfree profile to allow a button to trigger the voice command thing. In other words, something we could have enjoyed years ago.

Apple recently got a patent for the cheesy thing I was talking about, which is likely their solution for people who aren't going to buy a new car.

That said, I don't really like this new trend of catering to a specific device. I would rather my vehicle have those capabilities by being tethered to whatever phone I have for data. I will never own an Apple phone, and so if a vehicle only integrates with Apple phones, I will not buy their vehicle. This sort of exclusive partnership is damaging to all parties involved IMO.

I would much rather my car be able to have those functions independent of whatever phone I have, just using a data tethering to my device.
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It's WAY more cheesy than you think.

All this is is a crappy little remote you strap on to your steering wheel and it controls your ipod. It's very much like the old clip on remotes for stereos when cars didn't have radio controls on the wheel. All the Apple fanboys will go crazy over it though.

That said, I do wish there was a voice command portion to the handsfree profile over bluetooth. Android could use the voice commands it's had for several years before the fanboys thought about it, and Apple users can continue to use Siri for its snarky comments. Windows Phone and WebOS owners can wish they had any other phone. BlackBerry users won't care because they will be at work.
Why don't you enjoy your android in an android thread? You complain about apple fanboys, yet you're the one posting in a clearly apple related thread. ok...
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Re: Apple "Eyes Free"

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I have the 4 so no Siri yet (waiting on the next one). Would there be any way to use the uconnect button? some kind of mod? Also, these phones are going to leave our jeeps navigation in the dust. Would love it if lockpic would implement AirPlay to get the iPhones screen on the jeeps display or can you already do that if the iPhone is plugged into the lockpic?
I also have the 4, but you can use the simple voice commands by (first having your phone paired) holding the home button and waiting for it to connect. You get the beep, and can say "call mom" and it makes the call. This supposedly uses the "talking" hands free button on the steering wheel, and summons Siri when you press it. Should be much faster than the Uconnect stuff. It's not bad now, but let Apple handle this.

Airplay would be cool, sounds so much better than bluetooth.

Can't wait until fall for iOS6, and the new iPhone!
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I would rather my vehicle have those capabilities by being tethered to whatever phone I have for data. I will never own an Apple phone, and so if a vehicle only integrates with Apple phones, I will not buy their vehicle. This sort of exclusive partnership is damaging to all parties involved IMO.

I would much rather my car be able to have those functions independent of whatever phone I have, just using a data tethering to my device.
However, the advantage to exclusivity or limiting devices is that the system and devices just work, unlike the crazy mass of defects and glitches in the android world business case failure. SW developers here are loathe to consider android apps as there is no common baseline, you pretty much have to design twenty different interfaces to make apps work on most phones.

Most people seem to just want their stuff to work, without needing a math degree to figure it out. Why anyone wants to deal with and android type kludge is beyond me, but there are some here that simply enjoy playing with them and are devoted fans. A decent idea, IMHO, that has failed miserably in implementation, perhaps due to a lack of leadership. Most vehicle manufactures believe the androids and google phones will blow over in a couple years, so they have to second guess any expenditure of their limited development budgets on a dead end.

Now back to discussing the iPhone, in spite of some weaknesses, a pretty decent device, and the future.
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However, the advantage to exclusivity or limiting devices is that the system and devices just work, unlike the crazy mass of defects and glitches in the android world business case failure. SW developers here are loathe to consider android apps as there is no common baseline, you pretty much have to design twenty different interfaces to make apps work on most phones.

Most people seem to just want their stuff to work, without needing a math degree to figure it out. Why anyone wants to deal with and android type kludge is beyond me, but there are some here that simply enjoy playing with them and are devoted fans. A decent idea, IMHO, that has failed miserably in implementation, perhaps due to a lack of leadership. Most vehicle manufactures believe the androids and google phones will blow over in a couple years, so they have to second guess any expenditure of their limited development budgets on a dead end.

Now back to discussing the iPhone, in spite of some weaknesses, a pretty decent device, and the future.
Considering that Android has more market share than Apple, and is gaining market share rapidly, that would be a grave mistake on their parts to do so.

I've never had issues with my Android (then again, it's a higher end Samsung that sold very well). I think a lot of people with issues with Android buy cheaper ones. I just don't care for Apple's "you use the phone in ONLY this way" attitude about it, and frankly I don't think it works as well. It's a great phone for people who like to have steps given to them and repeat those steps every time they do something. Android seems to be better for the hands on, figure it out types that like to change things and make their phones more efficient for them.

Truth be told though, I'm partial to Blackberry. Nothing comes close to it as a business/productivity device. It's totally confusing and at times nonsensical, but when you think about it like a crazy Canadian, and you figure the device out, it's absurdly powerful and absurdly efficient. The Torch is one of the best phone designs in a long time, though I wish the screen was a little bigger. Touchscreen for normal use, and a slide out (excellent) keyboard for when you need to do some typing.

IMO, they need to update the handsfree bluetooth profile to include a "voice" command. You press the button, on an Apple it brings up Siri. On an Android, it brings up Google's voice recognition or whatever app you've set for default. On whatever else is around, it does something else new. The beauty of things like Bluetooth is that they're universal, they can be used by multiple platforms and so you don't have to limit your audience.

Looking at any current platform for phones as a long term plan is foolish. 10 years ago, when you were buying a phone, you wanted a RAZR, or maybe BlackBerry. Prior to that, Nokia was the way to go. Now all of those companies are shrunken hugely, nowhere near their leader levels of before. Consumers are fickle, and the only guarantee is that whoever is on top right now is destined for a huge decline within the decade.

Automakers need to consider this. There's nothing worse than buying a used car 5 years from now (which may be nearly new given product life cycles) that only supports an archaic device that nobody has anymore. It's akin to not including an aux port, usb port, a2dp, etc. and instead betting that the market will instead want to use CF cards for their audio. Or worse yet, it's akin to buying an HD DVD drive.

With the integration between cars and radios nowdays, it's not as simple as swapping your radio out easily and cheaply either. So betting the farm on any platform is just not a smart decision.

Honestly, my feelings is that the best way to do it is a wireless communication like bluetooth, that has enough bandwidth and low enough latency to pipe the video from you device, whatever it may be, up to your larger screen, and be controlled through that, with some sort of lockout to keep you from killing everyone around you using it while driving.

To take it one step further... IMO in the (not so distant) future you will have one device that does most everything. Take it in the car, it's your in car infotainment. Take it home, it's your laptop. Take it to work, it's your desktop. It'll be the same machine, just projected up onto a different screen, with different peripherals attached to it. It's likely that you'll have multiple types of devices that do this as well, and it's equally likely they won't be from Apple or Google, but from companies that are small, or even unheard of yet.
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Considering that Android has more market share than Apple, and is gaining market share rapidly, that would be a grave mistake on their parts to do so.

I've never had issues with my Android (then again, it's a higher end Samsung that sold very well). I think a lot of people with issues with Android buy cheaper ones. I just don't care for Apple's "you use the phone in ONLY this way" attitude about it, and frankly I don't think it works as well. It's a great phone for people who like to have steps given to them and repeat those steps every time they do something. Android seems to be better for the hands on, figure it out types that like to change things and make their phones more efficient for them.

Truth be told though, I'm partial to Blackberry. Nothing comes close to it as a business/productivity device. It's totally confusing and at times nonsensical, but when you think about it like a crazy Canadian, and you figure the device out, it's absurdly powerful and absurdly efficient. The Torch is one of the best phone designs in a long time, though I wish the screen was a little bigger. Touchscreen for normal use, and a slide out (excellent) keyboard for when you need to do some typing.

IMO, they need to update the handsfree bluetooth profile to include a "voice" command. You press the button, on an Apple it brings up Siri. On an Android, it brings up Google's voice recognition or whatever app you've set for default. On whatever else is around, it does something else new. The beauty of things like Bluetooth is that they're universal, they can be used by multiple platforms and so you don't have to limit your audience.

Looking at any current platform for phones as a long term plan is foolish. 10 years ago, when you were buying a phone, you wanted a RAZR, or maybe BlackBerry. Prior to that, Nokia was the way to go. Now all of those companies are shrunken hugely, nowhere near their leader levels of before. Consumers are fickle, and the only guarantee is that whoever is on top right now is destined for a huge decline within the decade.

Automakers need to consider this. There's nothing worse than buying a used car 5 years from now (which may be nearly new given product life cycles) that only supports an archaic device that nobody has anymore. It's akin to not including an aux port, usb port, a2dp, etc. and instead betting that the market will instead want to use CF cards for their audio. Or worse yet, it's akin to buying an HD DVD drive.

With the integration between cars and radios nowdays, it's not as simple as swapping your radio out easily and cheaply either. So betting the farm on any platform is just not a smart decision.

Honestly, my feelings is that the best way to do it is a wireless communication like bluetooth, that has enough bandwidth and low enough latency to pipe the video from you device, whatever it may be, up to your larger screen, and be controlled through that, with some sort of lockout to keep you from killing everyone around you using it while driving.

To take it one step further... IMO in the (not so distant) future you will have one device that does most everything. Take it in the car, it's your in car infotainment. Take it home, it's your laptop. Take it to work, it's your desktop. It'll be the same machine, just projected up onto a different screen, with different peripherals attached to it. It's likely that you'll have multiple types of devices that do this as well, and it's equally likely they won't be from Apple or Google, but from companies that are small, or even unheard of yet.


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ya nice job getting "mr. blackberry" all fired up
i agree 100% with you though
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