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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

I've been tempted to due another since the Jeep is imaging so well.
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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

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A lot of people here forget that we are dealing with an amplified system...if you have the alpine of course.

The 9 speakers aren't being powered by a head unit...its a real amp sending real power to speakers. It may not be as much as an aftermarket amp...but it's there.

High quality, EFFICIENT, speakers aren't cheap....that's why Alpine/Jeep put those speakers in there. They sound decent for what they are....a mass produced speaker going into millions of jeeps.

If you replace them with a quality, highly efficient (Read: sensitivity) speaker, they're going to use the power sent to them by ANY amp much better, and produce a cleaner, more powerful sound. These 6x9's referenced here are ~$500 and have a 93db sensitivity rating. They're excellent speakers.

As for the subwoofer...I have no doubt making the enclosure stiffer will help. The best subwoofer cabinets weigh upwards of 150 pounds...yes, the magnet on the speaker is large and heavy, but it's the internal bracing and thickness of the walls that really make them heavy. Same theory applies to the subwoofer driver itself....its more efficient than the stock one combined with a stiffer cabinet...it's going to move more air.
My question is: How much power are these speakers actually getting? What is the RMS wattage to the front door speakers? The woofer? The tweeter? Does anyone know what they are crossed over at? Are they configured bandpass or is the woofer just high passed? I woud love to know this information!
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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

I think we would all like to know that. If someone is looking to boom..boom down the street then the factory is not a good option. However, if someone is looking for a decent SQ setup that requires very little work.....it can be done with a little effort.
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If your looking for sound quality then replace it. For around 3G which is what I spent I got a kenwood Excelon 890hd headunit, focal components, focal coaxials, and a stealth box, and alpine PDX v9 amp. It's well worth it and outs to stock system to shame.
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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

I have a 2014. I'm not changing out the electronics. Lol
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If your looking for sound quality then replace it. For around 3G which is what I spent I got a kenwood Excelon 890hd headunit, focal components, focal coaxials, and a stealth box, and alpine PDX v9 amp. It's well worth it and outs to stock system to shame.
Of course it puts the stock system to shame. An SRT is faster than the Hemi too.

For sound quality at the decibels you're looking for, then yes, you have to spend 3k or more, but you CAN get better sound with better, more sensitive speakers.

Many of us have already experienced it with simply replacing the dash speaker. Clearer, better sound, 15 minutes of labor for around $40.
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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

You can have a system that will blow your mind for less then half that cost just going DIY. Don't let yourself be fooled by car audio hype. Not that they don't make good products just that better can be had for allot less.
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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

The front 6x9s in the Jeep don't receive a full-range signal, do they? In the Rams, there is no full-range signal in front. This make it even more painful to upgrade.
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It all depends on the person and what they percieve as good sound. For me just replacing speakers is not gonna cut it. Of course they won't sound like the stock equipment but trying to cheap out will leave me wanting to upgrade the upgrades, and in return will spend more money in the end. I've been through it enough times to know to start upgrading when you have the time and money to do exactly what you want the first time. Again I'm just saying what would suit me, as some people are only looking for a minor improvement. Point is really think of what you want in your system and start from there
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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

As mentioned early, I had a pair of my ScanSpeak Illuminators lying around from older builds. These tweeters are probably one of the best tweeters you can buy. They will outperform the Focal Be Utopias all day every day at a fraction of the cost. I've ran these in pods, sails and the dash in the past. As expected, they blew the ID's away with exceptional detail, clarity and no harshness. I was a little skeptical since I've generally ran these no less than 75watt rms. Give them a try, you won't be disappointed. Guaranteed.


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As mentioned early, I had a pair of my ScanSpeak Illuminators lying around from older builds. These tweeters are probably one of the best tweeters you can buy. They will outperform the Focal Be Utopias all day every day at a fraction of the cost. I've ran these in pods, sails and the dash in the past. As expected, they blew the ID's away with exceptional detail, clarity and no harshness. I was a little skeptical since I've generally ran these no less than 75watt rms. Give them a try, you won't be disappointed. Guaranteed.


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Greetings,

Madisound and partsexpress is the best source for diy equipment. Some install shops will even install them for you.

As I have posted many times, these are the best sources for simple to high-end speakers. Many of the brand names listed on these sites will not be common to the average consumer. Those who have are associated in the audio business know these brands. The parent company of Scanspeak, also owns Vifa, Preeless, etc. In matter of fact, many of the top car audio speakers that you see at the brick and mortar stores and online, sub contract their speakers to Scanspeak for design. IF you are on the Madisound site, also check out speakers from SEAS.


The customer service for both of these sites are excellent and they will help you look for the right product.

Best for now.
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Re: Audio Install Image Dynamics and JL.

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Of course it puts the stock system to shame. An SRT is faster than the Hemi too.

For sound quality at the decibels you're looking for, then yes, you have to spend 3k or more, but you CAN get better sound with better, more sensitive speakers.

Many of us have already experienced it with simply replacing the dash speaker. Clearer, better sound, 15 minutes of labor for around $40.
Greetings,

I agree, more sensitive speakers will give you better sound to the stock system. I have said that in the past many times here. It boils down to the individuals taste in sound. At the same token, better amps with the sensitive speakers brings you to a new level.

At this point, after adding the replacement speakers and the sound quality is not their, consider, if your JGC model year allows, change to an after market head unit. The 430 series is not the cleanest units around and the 730 is much better, but, nothing compared to a aftermarket. An aftermarket head unit with a quality internal Mosfet amp might be all you need.

The bass, is always a matter of personal opinion.


If you have the Premium factory systems, then it is a question if you like the way the internal DSP is programmed with your new speakers. If the sound is an improvement, but not what you are looking for, then the next steps have to be taken. Spending the bucks on an aftermarket DSP set up which has to include new amps.

At this point, I have half of my stuff already and the sound quality that I like will bring me over the $3K also. That is me and my tastes.

Best for now.
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