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Re: Best practices for loading music on 430n HDD?

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I agree, not a deal breaker for me either but I can't help trying to figure it out. Although I didn't know you could change the default view either.

yep me too! I am still working on it. So far here is the first update.

embedding the album art into the ID3 tag does not work on the 430n. I am trying a 2nd method and will report back with my success or failure.

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No matter what I do, I am unable to force album art changes in the ID3 metadata tags to register on the 430n. I tried 3 different programs, ripped the cds with 2 different programs and on 2 different operating systems (Win 7 and OSx). The next thing I am trying (and I hope this doesnt work but I think it will), is ripping the CD directly from the 430n cd player to the Hard Drive. I am thinking that the 430n might scan the barcode on the inside of the CD to get the ID and it them pulls the information from the Gracenote database that is on the HD.

I will report back when I am done trying this.

**Update**
ok ripping directly from the CD to the HD of the 430n produced the album cover art. I am still trying to fiddle with the ID3 tags of another ripped song, however I am really thinking it is pulling the info from the bar code on the inside of the CD . If this is true, it means the only way to get album art for songs stored on the HD is to rip each CD directly on the unit...
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Re: Best practices for loading music on 430n HDD?

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I am thinking that the 430n might scan the barcode on the inside of the CD to get the ID and it them pulls the information from the Gracenote database that is on the HD.
Just a note... these systems (both the 430N and gracenotes - together or separately) do NOT read any bar codes. Gracenotes figures out the disc information by looking at the total disc length, number of songs, length of each song, etc. to create a unique signature for each disc. If you copy a CD (no barcode) gracenotes can still determine the disc information.
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Re: Best practices for loading music on 430n HDD?

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Try this... (taken from another forum)

Push the Menu Button
Select My Files
Select My Music
Select My Playlists
Edit (Playlist)
Select Delete Songs From This playlist
Check the songs you want deleted, then click the on screen Delete Button
Those steps were a little sideways but got me pointed in the right direction. The Menu button is a red herring, and there is no command related specifically to Playlists. Push the My Files button first, then navigate thru My Music to the option to Delete Music from HDD. This is where I stalled before because I am used to seeing "..." after commands where I will have some options for bailing out. I went ahead and chose the command to delete music files and was indeed given options for choosing which files to delete. I chose the duplicate folder, selected all songs in it, and the system was smart enough to also delete the empty folder when it was finished dumping the contents.

The simple addition of an ellipsis ("...") to the end of some commands would be an improvement to the GUI by bringing it in line with commonly accepted interface guidelines.

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Although I didn't know you could change the default view either.
Sorry for misuse of terminology. By "default" I meant that I prefer that view over the track info or other screens. I have not seen a way to force that view in systemwide fashion. I have to invoke it by a few presses of the Info key when desired.
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Re: Best practices for loading music on 430n HDD?

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**Update**
ok ripping directly from the CD to the HD of the 430n produced the album cover art. I am still trying to fiddle with the ID3 tags of another ripped song, however I am really thinking it is pulling the info from the bar code on the inside of the CD . If this is true, it means the only way to get album art for songs stored on the HD is to rip each CD directly on the unit...
Thx for the methodical research Mashie. I am following your progress and had similar results with CDs I fed into the slot. I may use this method for a lot of my music anyway since I have a lot that was purchased from iTunes when they had DRM. The way to remove it is to burn a playlist to a CD; the files on the CD are then free of DRM. I could re-rip the CDs BACK into iTunes to have a matching set of unprotected files but I'll probably just feed them into the head unit one at a time. Something to do on my next road trip. I would then have the added bonus of album art for the songs that I loaded that way.
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Re: Best practices for loading music on 430n HDD?

Anyone know if I can transfer my library from my iPad? I'd presume its the same if I just used an ipod. Also, when you are copying DRM'd music, is it smart enough to skip those songs or do they copy over and then just not play?
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Re: Best practices for loading music on 430n HDD?

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Anyone know if I can transfer my library from my iPad? I'd presume its the same if I just used an ipod. Also, when you are copying DRM'd music, is it smart enough to skip those songs or do they copy over and then just not play?
Yep, it's the same process as using an iPod or iPhone. The only thing is that there is no easy way that I know of to get the tracks, folders, and metadata from iTunes to a thumb drive without using 3rd party software. You can burn them to a CD but depending on the number of tracks, transferring tracks via CDs can be time consuming. Somebody mentioned a program called doubletwist that can sync iTunes on to a thumb drive. I might look into this or something similar.

Right now, I'm just using my ipods and the only tracks on my hard drive are new CD's.
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Re: Best practices for loading music on 430n HDD?

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**Update**
ok ripping directly from the CD to the HD of the 430n produced the album cover art. I am still trying to fiddle with the ID3 tags of another ripped song, however I am really thinking it is pulling the info from the bar code on the inside of the CD . If this is true, it means the only way to get album art for songs stored on the HD is to rip each CD directly on the unit...
Thanks for trying to sort this out! Essentially are you saying that the cd needs to be ripped/burned as a true audio cd and not just load up the CD directly with mp3's? If that's the case I suppose ripping from a DVD would not work?

I REALLY want to get all my album art but dont want to have to burn hundreds of CD's. Think I'll try doubletwist with the passport and see if I have any luck.
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Thanks for trying to sort this out! Essentially are you saying that the cd needs to be ripped/burned as a true audio cd and not just load up the CD directly with mp3's? If that's the case I suppose ripping from a DVD would not work?

I REALLY want to get all my album art but dont want to have to burn hundreds of CD's. Think I'll try doubletwist with the passport and see if I have any luck.
does anyone know of a program that will rip CD's and keep them in their original format not rip them to .mp3? I want to try ripping the CD to a folder then moving the folder to a thumb drive and see if we can trick the 430 to think it is copying directly from the CD. It seesm that the copy speed from the front USB is much quicker then ripping from the CD player.
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Yep, it's the same process as using an iPod or iPhone. The only thing is that there is no easy way that I know of to get the tracks, folders, and metadata from iTunes to a thumb drive without using 3rd party software. You can burn them to a CD but depending on the number of tracks, transferring tracks via CDs can be time consuming. Somebody mentioned a program called doubletwist that can sync iTunes on to a thumb drive. I might look into this or something similar.

Right now, I'm just using my ipods and the only tracks on my hard drive are new CD's.
What I mean is can I just bring the iPad to my car, and rip the tracks from the iPad directly to the Jeep hard drive over USB? That would eliminate putting stuff on an external drive.
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What I mean is can I just bring the iPad to my car, and rip the tracks from the iPad directly to the Jeep hard drive over USB? That would eliminate putting stuff on an external drive.
Nope...you can't do that with an iPhone or iPod either.
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So far I've tried using Mediamonkey, DoubleTwist, iTunes Sync.... not having any luck here at all.

It's a little ridiculous that it's this hard to get album art to show up when it is supposedly "supported"
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