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Question Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

In another thread, I replaced the center speaker with a Polk DXi350. Now I want to keep going and I would like to replace the rest of the factory speakers as well.

I am looking for suggestions on the best bang for the buck for speaker replacements still using the factory head unit/sub/amp.

I listen to mostly metal/hard rock/80's...some country once in a while, and very little rap.

Emailing back and forth with Crutchfield, they suggest the Rockford Fosgate Prime R169X2 and Rockford Fosgate Prime R1675X2. This is nice because they are WAY under my budget...but I don't mind paying more for a much better sound.

What do you guys think and recommend?
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:37 AM
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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

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In another thread, I replaced the center speaker with a Polk DXi350. Now I want to keep going and I would like to replace the rest of the factory speakers as well.

I am looking for suggestions on the best bang for the buck for speaker replacements still using the factory head unit/sub/amp.

I listen to mostly metal/hard rock/80's...some country once in a while, and very little rap.

Emailing back and forth with Crutchfield, they suggest the Rockford Fosgate Prime R169X2 and Rockford Fosgate Prime R1675X2. This is nice because they are WAY under my budget...but I don't mind paying more for a much better sound.

What do you guys think and recommend?

It would help if we knew your budget.

$300 for a set of speakers will be way too much for some, but would be considered low end/cheap for others.

Find the highest sensitivity speakers you can find within your budget and you'll have better sound. I wouldn't upgrade to any speaker below 90db's sensitivity. 93db or 94db would be ideal.

I went with the Focal ISS series. 6x9's up front and 6.5's in the rear. Big difference in sound for about $600ish for all 4 speakers
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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

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It would help if we knew your budget.
$500 bucks or less. (See thread title )

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Find the highest sensitivity speakers you can find within your budget and you'll have better sound. I wouldn't upgrade to any speaker below 90db's sensitivity. 93db or 94db would be ideal.
Cool, I am on the right track in that department then. I have been reading here and there in this forum, and that I do know for sure. Thanks for the reinforcement.

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I went with the Focal ISS series. 6x9's up front and 6.5's in the rear. Big difference in sound for about $600ish for all 4 speakers
Cool. Thanks for that suggestion. Heard good things about Focal.

Couple of questions, now that I am thinking about it...

Factory is 2 ohm. Is going 4 ohm okay?
Seems replacing the front doors with a component set is pretty much a must. Is this correct?
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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

haha, sorry, cruised right by the $500 in the title.

I believe stock is 2ohm, but the Focals are 4 ohm and sound fine. I wouldnt worry too much about impedance.

Well, you have a component set in there now if you have the alpine system, I dont see why you wouldn't. You could buy a mid-range woofer and a seperate tweeter, but trying to match separate woofers and tweeters is too complex for my taste.

Also, I would spend more $ to get nicer front speakers. I replaced my fronts one week and the rears the following week. The rears filled out the sound nicely, but the fronts made 75% of the difference.

Others have been very happy with HAT Imagines. They're in the $400 range for a set of 6x9's though.
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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

If you have the Alpine system, there is no "significant" upgrade available in that price range. Any aftermarket speaker you use is going to suffer. There is no full-range signal present in the OE system. Sad to say, but the only drop-in solution is the Mopar Kicker upgrades.

In order to make a significant difference, you need to add your own amps, processing/DSP, or LOC with input summing at a minimum. I tried all the "cheap-n-easy" methods in my Ram (same system). None were worth the time, nor money until I provided a full-range signal to an aftermarket amp.

The center dash speaker is the only one easily upgraded, because you don't want a full-range signal going to a 3.5" speaker. You do want (near) full-range going to a 6x9, 6.5, or component speakers.
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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

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If you have the Alpine system, there is no "significant" upgrade available in that price range. Any aftermarket speaker you use is going to suffer. There is no full-range signal present in the OE system. Sad to say, but the only drop-in solution is the Mopar Kicker upgrades.

In order to make a significant difference, you need to add your own amps, processing/DSP, or LOC with input summing at a minimum. I tried all the "cheap-n-easy" methods in my Ram (same system). None were worth the time, nor money until I provided a full-range signal to an aftermarket amp.

The center dash speaker is the only one easily upgraded, because you don't want a full-range signal going to a 3.5" speaker. You do want (near) full-range going to a 6x9, 6.5, or component speakers.
Not true. There was a significant improvement when I upgraded to my Focals. I took readings with a SPL Meter. I gained 4-5db's at equal volume to stock. That is significant.

It was worth every single penny of the ~$500 I spent.
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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

So I have been doing some more digging.

I can go with what Crutchfield suggests and stay well below my budget...big time. But...I don't think I will do that.

Or, I can go with the Focal ISS 6x9 components in the front and 6.5" in the rear.

But...how about this idea...going with the Polk MM6501 components for the front and MM651 for the rear. High sensitivity, 2.7 ohm, and good reviews by other dudes here. Plus...still coming in under my budget.

Just making sure I am exploring all options. Thanks again for the thoughts and advice!
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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

Greetings,

Since you started out with Polk's in the center, I would suggest staying with Polk's for the fronts. This way, the front stage is pretty much matched up in the sound characteristics (timbre). Latter on, if you decide to continue upgrading, you will be able to create the proper L/C/R channels.

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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

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The center dash speaker is the only one easily upgraded, because you don't want a full-range signal going to a 3.5" speaker. You do want (near) full-range going to a 6x9, 6.5, or component speakers.
Greetings,

I agree on the center. In my install, the center is tuned in from 700hz to 10,000 hz which is a band-pass crossover point via the RF 3.sixty.3.

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Re: Best Speaker/SQ Upgrade for under $500? 2012 Grand Cherokee w/factory sub

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Not true. There was a significant improvement when I upgraded to my Focals. I took readings with a SPL Meter. I gained 4-5db's at equal volume to stock. That is significant.

It was worth every single penny of the ~$500 I spent.

Volume doesn't equal Sound Quality. The system gets plenty loud for my old ears. It just sounds poorly doing do. I can guarantee you those speakers would sound 10x better if running off an aftermarket amp -- getting a signal from about 80hz on up. But, everyone has different ears, and standards.

To OP... I wouldn't follow Crutchfield's suggestion on the RF Prime speakers. They would barely be an upgrade over stock. They may even sound worse due to the OE filters set at the amp. Crutchfield may know what "fits", but I don't think they have much experience upgrading these systems.
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Volume doesn't equal Sound Quality. The system gets plenty loud for my old ears. It just sounds poorly doing do. I can guarantee you those speakers would sound 10x better if running off an aftermarket amp -- getting a signal from about 80hz on up. But, everyone has different ears, and standards.
I completely agree that it'd sound 10x better with digital processing and with an aftermarket amp, I'd never argue that. But to tell everyone here that upgrading their stock speakers is a waste of their time and a waste of their money is simply not true.

I referenced the increase in DB's because it was the only quantitative thing I measured. I did not run REW "Room EQ Wizard" to see which frequencies the Focal's are reproducing better and if they filled gaps over the stock speakers.

What I do know is they sound better, are more clear, are more crisp, and I hear more nuances in music that I did not before. The sock speakers did not go loud enough for my young ears, and they clipped/distorted when I pushed them too hard. The Focals go as loud as I can handle...because they're very efficient and use the factory amp's power much better.

Would they sound even better, even more clean, and even more crisp with a few more thousand dollars in aftermarket DSP's and Amp's? You bet they would...but I'm not interested in going that far.
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Would they sound even better, even more clean, and even more crisp with a few more thousand dollars in aftermarket DSP's and Amp's? You bet they would...
Greetings,

A few more thousand dollars.....no that feeling to well.

Yea, but it was worth it.

The moral of the story in upgrading the Alpine Premium factory system, it all depends on the individual taste in sound. Anything can be done from a low budget to worse than what I did.

All I know is that when I listen to that song HAPPY, I am happy with my system upgrade.

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