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Buyers Remorse... help, pending stereo install

So in about two weeks I'm getting the following parts below installed in my 2012 Overland and having a bit of buyers remorse. Well, I haven't paid yet other than $100 down payment but still.

What worries me is I'll be losing the center dash speaker and the two rear trunk area speakers. I'm hoping maybe other Jeep owners who have done the same (in terms of losing those 3 speakers) can put me at ease or persuade me into cancelling my install.

First, am I really sacrificing much by losing the two trunk rear speakers and center dash speaker?

Second, is this going to make hearing phone calls harder? Isn't the center speaker used for phone calls?


My parts:

Focal 165KRX2
Focal 165KRC
JL Audio HD900/5
JL Audio 8W1 x 2
Mosconi 6to8
Custom enclosure
JL Audio HDRLC 34.

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Old 10-02-2014, 10:22 PM
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Re: Buyers Remorse... help, pending stereo install

Greetings,

Now, I am jealous of your system. You got a Mosconi 6to8.

Regarding your question about the rear speakers, how important is a surround system for you to listen to your music? This is question you should ask yourself. Your list of equipment is very impressive.

Here is some questions I have for you besides the surround issue.

You have the 6to8, are you going to run the focal passive crossovers for the front and rear? Are you using the Uconnect headunit or you are going the aftermarket route?

As for the phone calls whether you go traditional or surround, if you configure the 6to8 correctly it should not make a difference.


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Re: Buyers Remorse... help, pending stereo install

Hi,

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Regarding your question about the rear speakers, how important is a surround system for you to listen to your music? This is question you should ask yourself. Your list of equipment is very impressive.
I guess my answer to that would be I don't want it to sound worse than what it sounds like now losing 3 speakers, you know? Unless the new speakers and tuning will negate the speaker loss.


This is what the owner said...

"The dash loss is never a big deal as even now you can probably barely hear it. Manufacturers typically ad a center channel to make up for the lack of imaging their cheap component sets provide. Rear speakers are a little different, if you listen closely to yours you’ll probably notice you can hear the back doors but not the very back. They’re designed to be “rear fill” for you backseat passengers. My car is just like your, I drive an Escalade where I gave up the center channel and very back speakers. It drives some people crazy to have a speaker location that’s not being used. Even if we added something to the very rear (and an amp to power them) it would probably be tuned so that you can’t hear them anyway."

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You have the 6to8, are you going to run the focal passive crossovers for the front and rear? Are you using the Uconnect headunit or you are going the aftermarket route?
I'm an audio newb so not really sure what the first part of your question means. For the second half I am keeping the factory NAV which is why they said I needed the 6to8.

I wanted to have them mod an iPad Mini into the dash at first but we couldn't find a solution to integrate bluetooth for hands free calling or the reverse camera. An iPad Mini looked pretty awesome in our dash from the youtube videos I saw from SoundMan.

May I ask what the advantage or disadvantage to going traditional or surround would be? Should I invest the extra for the remaining speakers and extra amp?
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Re: Buyers Remorse... help, pending stereo install

Greetings,

No problem. Let's get right into this with some background for the traditional and surround sound systems.

On the OEM surround systems such as the European or even the Acura, they use a better surround processor such as the LOGIC 7. For now, think of this as the same concept of a Home Theater setup. The difference for music, there are some effects such as reverb, echo or a punch of other stuff that makes the experience interesting for music. With these systems that are properly tuned, you hear a wall of music from the front stage L/C/R channels. Many concerts or fixed auditorium systems have gone to the center channel speakers giving a better listen experience to the audience.

Unfortunately, the factory Alpine Premium system does not give you that experience. They use a different DSP from the better vehicles that I mention before and that particular surround processor I am not to fond of. I ripped everything out and started from scratch to achieve the right performance level of a 7.1 surround sound system.

The rear speakers have to different schools of thought. Rear-fill is considered from the traditional system of front & rear and from the complex system of a 3-way front with just midrange speakers in the rear to highlight those frequencies. This gives the rear the ability to hear exactly as the front. With surround sound school of through for the rears, it acts a rear-fill and certain information is steered to those speakers just like a HT setup.

Based on the equipment the shop choose for you, this is a traditional system. Many members here that I give advise to, I ask this as the first question whether you want a surround system that really works or the traditional system. The bad part of the upgrade in the surround system is it will cost you bucks from not to bad to expensive.

If you have no means to hear a proper car sound system, if you do have a HT setup try listening to your favorite music one of the surround codecs. In your manual it will tell you which ones a good for music. Listen in one of the modes for a while and switch back forth to the dedicated stereo mode. This way you can tell which preference for music you like. And that's how you will determine that answer of traditional or surround sound.

I have you ever heard the Focal speakers before? The tweeter can sound harsh and bright with a tinny sound. To match up other components for a surround system to the Focal's will require using other manufacture speakers to make up the center and rear pillar. Another consideration for a surround system to think about. For the rear door, you do not need the extra top end frequencies that a tweeter gives you.

Next part:

In it's simplest terms, a passive crossover is an external device that is hooked up after the amplifier and distributes power and sound frequencies to the various speakers. Passive crossover's unless they cost over $1k for that component alone will not give the sound quality of the other type of crossover network. The 6to8 falls into that category and it consider the best on the market right now. The 6to8 gets hooked up prior to the amps and it considered a DSP unit that already has a built-in crossover network along with eq and time delay for each channel. The sound quality is coming out of this unit is outstanding.

By using the passive crossovers that comes with the component speaker set, you will not be taking full advantage of the 6to8, IMHO, the 6to8 now becomes an overpriced item. You can use a much cheaper DSP such as the Audison Bit ten series and run the passive crossovers. This will give the same results and sound quality.

If you do go for the traditional system, even better, that money to spend on the 6to8, you can go for a better headunit. In this case, i would go with the Kenwood Excelon 891 or 991. They both have a built-in DSP that give all that you need. The Uconnect 430N or 730 which ever you have is nothing to write home either. This will give you the best sound quality path.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Buyers Remorse... help, pending stereo install

Wow, that's a hell of a system. I personally went through this myself and researched the hell out of it before changing up and getting the Harmon Kardon system in my SRT. I didn't really want it but that's another story. I don't want to add to your confusion or doubt. Hopefully the seller is willing to work with you.

1stJeepGC is definitely the man to talk to regarding this.

Personally, I would dump the 6to8 and either go with a simple JBL MS8 or go with a new head unit or both if you want the surround sound. From what I know, the MS8 is much more user (novice) friendly and will take all the messing around out of tuning and retuning compared to other DSPs. I'm not sure of your experience or taste but you might not be able to hear the difference between those high end Focals vs Infinity Kappas...yet. You can get something nicer than the Infinity's from someone like DLS Audio with their Ultimate Series. I have only heard good things about DLS and that they offer a smooth, natural sound while many people complain about Focals highs being quite bright and harsh. It depends on what you like though. I was only two days ago going to buy the DLS Reference 6.3 but decided to go with the Hybrid Audio Technologies Legatia line. Expensive but from what 1stJeepGC and many others say, you simply go wrong.

In the end if you have the cash to spend, go for it. Everybody has doubts when dropping that much coin. But in the end you'll have an absolutely killer system
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