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Caught the mod bug started with the "Alpine" speakers (pics attached)

2013 Overland 4x4 with 9 speaker stock "Alpine" system.

After reading all the recent threads about replacing the factory speakers I decided to jump in and get rid of the muddy stock speakers. I held out for 10 months but it was time to upgrade. I decided to give the Focal's a chance due to the high sensitivity and great reviews on this forum. I ended up getting the access line for the fronts and rear off some Amazon dealers.

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Removing the door panels was much easier than I expected mostly due to helpful pics and threads from other members posts. I started with the front doors, I didn't use the supplied crossovers due as the factory amp has that built in. I removed the housing on the door with the tweeter so I could file it down for fitment out of the car. I didn't want to get close to that paint with a file . Filed just enough so the tweeter sits pressure fitted in the housing. I cut the plug off the factory tweeter and soldered it on to the focal tweeter to keep the wiring clean. I used the plates from best buy for the mids, they had a hole for a tweeter so I wrapped a bunch of good electrical tape to seal up. I might change these out later if I rewire with the crossovers. With the metra harnesses the mids plugged right in. Each front door took about 45-60 mins. The rears were a snap remove the panel, use plate and harness and drop speaker in. 30 minutes each.

As far as the sound goes. Wow. Well worth the upgrade. The music is much more clear with noticeable differences. The Focals really bring out the highs and clarity that was lacking before. I can now hear all the instruments playing in the background. I was playing the Eagles Hotel California on a CD and it sounded awesome!

I've had them in for about 10 days now and put them to the test while breaking them in. I was on the fence on this upgrade for awhile, but for anyone hesitating due to some other posts it's safe to say upgrading just the base speakers will make a large difference.

I finally got around to hardwiring my radar detector while I was tearing things apart. I wired it to the switched outlet underneath the radio using direct wire smart cord ran the wire through the dash, up the pillar to the mirror. I wanted the mute button down low so I don't have to reach up to silence. There aren't really any mounts that work with the Overland mirror so I found the perfect mount on ebay. Mounted right above the mirror out of the way. Its a Escort 8500x50.

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Old 02-05-2014, 01:15 AM
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:47 PM
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Re: Caught the mod bug started with the "Alpine" speakers (pics attached)

Looks great. That's the same detector mount I have (ebay -- from Canada).
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Re: Caught the mod bug started with the "Alpine" speakers (pics attached)

Greetings,

I guess the bug really got to you. Bye Bye Factory Junk. As you slowly decide to change out components, you will notice tremendous improvements. For example: Focal is coming out with digital 4 channel amp which will really wake up your new speakers. Or even getting a 6 channel amp from JL Audio, this way you can change out the center channel speaker. Then you really hear the front stage as other system were designed for.

My mod bug was a server case, I completely eliminated everything and started from scratch. The payoff for me now is on long trips I do not get that bad sound which many folks call ear bleed after listing for long periods. I wished had the new system when I went down South this past summer.

Nice set up and use it well.

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Re: Caught the mod bug started with the "Alpine" speakers (pics attached)

^ Yes, but if he starts adding amps, he'll need a DSP or LOC with summing (at minimum). The $$ starts adding up quickly.
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^ Yes, but if he starts adding amps, he'll need a DSP or LOC with summing (at minimum). The $$ starts adding up quickly.
Greetings,

Without a doubt, the more you upgrade the more you will spend.

They could still use an aftermarket amp with the factory dap amp via this product until they are ready to switch to an aftermarket amp.

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The con: you are still stuck with the factory crossover settings. But, the speakers will sound even better.

Best for now.
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Re: Caught the mod bug started with the "Alpine" speakers (pics attached)

Thanks for the replies.

Funny thing I have an older V12 Alpine MRDM 500 amp laying around from my last truck. I actually went and ordered a stealthbox the other day and will put that in this weekend. The factory sub is just not consistent. It sounds great with some music and then some others songs it just doesn't espcially around the mid bass. The domino affect has started. I am pretty sure I will be happy with that set up as the speakers sound pretty darn good on that stock amp. Backup plan will be to use an AudioControl LCQ-1 with an Alpine PDX-V9 amp to handle everything. Trying not to spend that extra money though as the stealthbox was already enough.

I'm going to use this LOC as it has a remote turn on wire so I don't get the thump sound that you can get using a regular keyed wire.
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Re: Caught the mod bug started with the "Alpine" speakers (pics attached)

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Without a doubt, the more you upgrade the more you will spend.

They could still use an aftermarket amp with the factory dap amp via this product until they are ready to switch to an aftermarket amp.

Car Audio - Connection Systems - Discontinued - Audio Connections - RCA to Speaker Wire

The con: you are still stuck with the factory crossover settings. But, the speakers will sound even better.

Best for now.
They won't sound better, just louder. Trust me, I tried going the cheap route with the same system in my Ram. You can't simply add an amp to the OE signal, and expect miracles. I tried. It will simply amplify the same crappy signal (high, low, or mid. not full-range) coming from the crappy OE Alpine amp. At minimum, buy the LC6i so to can sum the signals and obtain a full-range signal into your amp.

It sounds like OP is happy with his results of a basic speaker swap. He's lucky.
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They won't sound better, just louder. Trust me, I tried going the cheap route with the same system in my Ram. You can't simply add an amp to the OE signal, and expect miracles. I tried. It will simply amplify the same crappy signal (high, low, or mid. not full-range) coming from the crappy OE Alpine amp. At minimum, buy the LC6i so to can sum the signals and obtain a full-range signal into your amp.

It sounds like OP is happy with his results of a basic speaker swap. He's lucky.
I think we need to run a little poll where people rate the difference in SQ by just changing the speakers. I haven't seen too many that believe they didn't get a significant improvement. I benchmark the improvement compared to my other car that has Focal, Alpine and Image Dynamics gear and whilst it is still a long way from that, I would say it improved sound by about 25-30% of it's middle of the range potential, the OE stuff is just that ordinary.
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Re: Caught the mod bug started with the "Alpine" speakers (pics attached)

Greetings,

When I installed my HAT's in the front door, we hooked them directly into the factory system. The fronts are the L6SE (6.5) and the L1 Pro R2 tweeters. Yes, their was some improvement, but you could not play them to loud with out hearing distortion. After we change the HU to the Pioneer AppRadio 3, the improvement was nice. In my case, these speakers need some power behind it. The fun think is, HAT's need some time to breakin. Once the speakers had the right power behind, it was night day. We temped into the factory lines just to hear it. We also heard the stupid crossover points.

As I stated here in this forum for a number of years, with this Alpine sound system that has been bestowed upon us, it is not cheap to fix, but, simple and continuous upgrades will improve the system. Or, just do it at once. And some do it once right into the audiophile level ($$$$).

Why would an aftermarket amp help later when added to the factory system? Here is one example: For those who have installed component speakers with the passive crossover in the front doors and are using the factory system to drive them. The factory amp lacks the power to drive both the mid bass and the tweeter in one channel. The aftermarket amp with right amount of power will be able to drive them. The tweeter will sound better especially if the passive crossover is a good one. The mid bass you will be stuck with crossover point from the factory DSP. This brings you to the 30-40% level at this point. Some my like the difference it made. Some may want to go to the next step.

Sound is perceive in different ways by individuals.

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The fun think is, HAT's need some time to breaking. Once the speakers had the right power behind, it was night day.

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Agree, My HATs sounded terrible when I first used them for about the first 5hrs. Now they're at 30+ hours and sound great (for the price range).
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Greetings,

Glad you like them, the break in period is a must with these drivers. If you do change out the center later on, any of their 3 inch wide band speakers will be a beautiful match to your front stage.

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