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Complete Audio upgrade - 14' Overland Alpine 9

Hello!

Thank you all in advance for your help. I've been a reading every post possible for the last few months and I'm so thankful for jeepgarage. Without it, I wouldn't even know where to start in my pursuit of a complete audio upgrade.

Ok - so I got my 14' Overland a few months ago (absolutely love it!). However, like most of you, the sound doesn't quite match the luxury of the rest of the jeep. I would consider myself a ... "wannabe" audiophile. From all my research on here, the Focals 690 / 165 and Polk center is the popular speaker upgrade. This upgrade sounds great but I am wanting a true 7.1 (keep the stock head unit) sound. I will be getting the JL Stealth Box to replace the sub (only mod I'm currently confident about).

With this all said, I would love to have the best sound possible with the smallest footprint possible.

1. DSP Question
So, by keeping the stock head unit, I know I need to get a DSP. It sounds like the JBL MS-8 or the RF 3.sixty.3 are the top choices. Is it best to start here then chose the speakers or vice versa?

2. Speakers
As I mentioned above, the popular speaker replacements are the Focals 690 /165. Since I am looking to add in the additional costs with the DSP, would it serve me better to get a step up from these? What would be a step up from the Focals? Now I'm not looking to break the bank by any means but if I'm doing a complete overhaul, I mine as well do it right

3. Amps
As I mentioned above, I would like to keep the footprint as small as possible. I love 1stJeepGC speaker upgrades (great tutorial) but I really don't want to have the amps behind the back seats or something along those lines. How many amps will I need to power the Stealthbox, DSP, and speakers? Is there one out there that could power them all and fit under the drivers seat (wishful thinking? ha..)

Am I missing anything else? Thank you all in advance. The only experience I really have with car audio is from what I've read on here.

I will be having a local (Seattle) car audio installer do it for me. I'm currently researching the top rated ones but if anyone has a suggestion, I would love to hear it!

Thank you all in advance for your help! Cheers!

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Re: Complete Audio upgrade - 14' Overland Alpine 9

Greetings and welcome,

My first suggestion, in my signature section, their is a link to my Alpine upgrade. This give you a good idea what is about to happen.

DSP:

The bottom line to get a true 7.1 sound with factory 8.4 headunit is one more step than I had to take. At the present time, an aftermarket solution is not ready. It is being worked on, but no date is yet established. With the 8.4 you must sum the signals to get a full range signal that the final output is a single stereo signal. The left and right channels.

The only aftermarket 7.1 DSP currently out on the market to do this is the JBL MS-8. The MS-8 can sum the signals for you or purchase a separate summing device. If you want the correct solution and the cleanest method, I recommend JL Audio Cleansweep. Think of it as washing machine that cleans out all the factory settings and gives you a 2 channel output. Getting back to the MS-8, the unit gives you the basic ability to tune. Otherwise, you need the another DSP. Just remember the key to the setting up surround is how the front stage (L/C/R) is balanced. The MS-8 for the center speaker is more pronounced than the left or right sides. Fine tuning adjustment comes with the aid of play with the delay settings.

The RF 3.sixty.3 does not have any surround capabilities, just tuning. If you are going to a full active speaker system via electronic crossovers, I highly recommend to step up to the Helix DSP Pro, which has 10 channels. Hopefully next year I will change over from my 3.sixty.3.

Can you use the MS-8 as only? Yes you can and that depends on the speaker setup you choose. If you go with passive crossover's for the front speakers and other choices.

Speakers:

Since you are closer to the audiophile side for sound, the main thing comes down to the tweeter. The JGC is correctly designed with 1 tweeter in the whole vehicle. You do not want to have tweeters blasting from all angles. The Focal speakers that you mentioned use a metal material. They have a tendency of being bright and harsh. This could be perfect for the type of music you listen to. The other choice of material is soft dome which is made out of different materials. Silk is the most common, especially if want greater detail. Soft dome is more natural sound. Think of it as being in dance club with the metal tweeters and a sound studio with the soft dome.

For the center and rear pillar speakers, do not get anything that has very high frequency. Ideally you want to below 20,000 hz and more towards 16k. Wide band full range speakers are best for this. The funny thing, the JGC with Alpine system uses this approach. For the rear door, it depends if you want some extra punch and then you get 6.5 inch speaker. A 5 inch speaker is also good. The key is do not want overpower the sound coming from the rear. The sub you hit it right on.

Once you figure out what is best for you, then you narrow down your choices and zone in your budget. Speakers can be cheap to over 10k.

AMPS:

Look for amps that are rated for CLASS D. They are more efficient on the electrical system of JGC. Make sure you get a power kit that handle more that one amp. Again once you know your speakers, then it is very easy to figure out your amps.

Bottom line, this is not going to be cheap. Do your research carefully and ask questions.

Best for now.
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Re: Complete Audio upgrade - 14' Overland Alpine 9

Wow.. thanks for the response. A lot to digest.

So for the DSP you would recommend the JL Audio cleansweep? or are you saying this with either the MS-8 or Helix PRO?

Perhaps I should rethink the 7.1 and go with the full active speaker. In that case, the Helix PRO is highly recommended? This sounds like a slightly cheaper route and less of a footprint.

As for the speakers, I'm going to go with the silk / soft dome material. I will continue to research with speakers I'm going to go with.

Thanks again for your input
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Wow.. thanks for the response. A lot to digest.

So for the DSP you would recommend the JL Audio cleansweep? or are you saying this with either the MS-8 or Helix PRO?

Perhaps I should rethink the 7.1 and go with the full active speaker. In that case, the Helix PRO is highly recommended? This sounds like a slightly cheaper route and less of a footprint.

As for the speakers, I'm going to go with the silk / soft dome material. I will continue to research with speakers I'm going to go with.

Thanks again for your input
Greetings,

Technically, all 3 devices that I mentioned are DSPs. The JL Audio Cleansweep in this case is a DSP just to handle the summing. The MS-8 is the DSP that handles the steering logic for the surround sound. Finally, the Helix Pro is your fine tuner.

As I said in the previous post, once you sort out the speaker arrangement, you can than determine the best path to use for DSPs. The MS-8 has to be in the equation since it drives the surround sound. The next question to ask yourself is do I want the cleanest signal coming out of the factory system or just let the MS-8 do the work as well. Finally, the last question do I need the 3rd DSP? If you are going the pure path and having all your speaker channels working off the a electronic (active) crossover with no passive crossovers and / or you want to fine tune it, then yes. FYI: even an inexpensive speakers benefit from good DSP.

IF you do not go for the 7.1, then the full active system via the Helix Pro is a good route. Another option also, you are starting to see more amps now with built-in DSP units that can also be programed via the computer. This will also save you on the footprint as well.

As you can see, there are number of ways to build the system. It all depends on how far you are taking it and of course the budget. If you are leasing the JGC, then I would serious think about pumping a couple thousand dollars into it.

For speakers, I know of 2 excellent sources for raw drivers and kits. Part-express.com & madisound.com. Both of this websites are authorized retailers on factory designed speaker manufactures. Madisound has more of a selection for SQ systems.

https://www.parts-express.com

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com

Keep us updated.

Best for now.
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Re: Complete Audio upgrade - 14' Overland Alpine 9

Thank you. Can I hire you to come do this for me?! ha ha..

Well, I stopped in at highly recommended car audio shop here in Seattle. He said he recommends Morel for his higher end installations.

Do you or anyone have any experience with Morel?
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Thank you. Can I hire you to come do this for me?! ha ha..

Well, I stopped in at highly recommended car audio shop here in Seattle. He said he recommends Morel for his higher end installations.

Do you or anyone have any experience with Morel?
Greetings,

Installations for me in car audio is a thing of the past. My buddy who did mine can not make it out to the west coast, he is to busy.

Yes, Morel is an excellent speaker company and was one of my final choices for the JGC. As you know, the winner for me was the HAT. I had huge success in home theater installations where the clients could not believe how far superior they were to BOSE.

Remember, each shop has their own brands they worked on and have success with.

Best for now.
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Re: Complete Audio upgrade - 14' Overland Alpine 9

Ok, good. I'm glad that you recommend Morel. I definitely feel better going with a speaker the installer knows and has installed previously.

Well, this is going to be expensive! I have a consultation with them this weekend. Thank you again for your input!
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Ok, good. I'm glad that you recommend Morel. I definitely feel better going with a speaker the installer knows and has installed previously.

Well, this is going to be expensive! I have a consultation with them this weekend. Thank you again for your input!
Greetings,

Anytime.

Best for now.
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