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Old 05-27-2014, 06:06 AM
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

Removal of Glove Box and Vehicle Firewall Pass-Through

I used the instructions listed in the Glovebox chapter of the Interior Trim Removal section of the tear-down manual, which were provided on www.wk2jeeps.com site. See below this PDF file 2014_wk2_interior_trim_removal_001. Use only plastic trim removal tools (15 dollars for a set of 4 at your local auto store)

The instructions (2014 WK - Body/Instrument Panel/GLOVE BOX, Instrument Panel/Removal) start on page 61 of the PDF and they are very basic and unclear. They start with asking the user to remove the cylinder lock. I found this step to be unnecessary during the re-installation process. I also ended up splitting the upholstery from the plastic cover by probably misinterpreting instructions on page 63, at the top, also something that you guys should avoid. The upholstery is glued, and although it came out in one piece, I am afraid that I will either have to re-glue it myself or buy a new glove box compartment altogether.


In the process, you will also reach the compartment for the cabin air filter. Replace it while you are in there. Mine was grey colored but not soiled. I left it in there after blowing it with air, but you will be reaching it as part of the process. See the relevant section Filter, Cabin Air of the interior trim removal instructions.

At the end of the day, this is what you want to see - the wiring behind the glove box leading into the engine compartment. You can easily trace the battery cable and a few others (like the clear/white hose).

The interior trim removal took 4 hours for us, first timers.

There was NO spare grommet on my 2014 Limited with Tech, Lux and ORA-2 packages. Apparently the Australian versions do have one (see Post # 2 of this thread), but we don't. It may be due to the RHD configuration and something could not be mirrored on the other side of the car, so they may have an additional grommet that is normally on the North American driver side of the vehicle. I don't know. I looked and I could not find it.

We peeled off the grommet in the middle, between the thick harness and the battery cable. For clarity, it is the one with the clear/white hose. Then from the engine compartment, using a wood rod (for flowers to tie up the plant so it grows straight) we pushed gently until we were able to get part of the grommet back into the engine compartment.

You can see a black cable going from top left of the picture into the middle grommet. We pushed it from the cabin into the engine compartment and fish it up with a hook on the engine side. The black cable was an audio cable which was canibalized for connectors and soldered to the LockPick connector for power.

A big thanks to Schumi the dog for providing security and visual re-assurance with his tail wags that no mater how $#%@-ed up the process was, everything was just fine, in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 05-27-2014, 06:32 AM
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

I installed the following connectors to the LockPick

- USB cable for any future updates to the Lock Pick
- RCA video inputs
- Remote Control
- Additional Camera power connector
- Front Camera

The installation instructions at Post # 3 of this thread also explain how to add an HDMI input. There is also an IPOD connector provided with the LockPick which I did not use, due to my long-standing anti I-P00P (pod, pad, phone) philosophy. There is enough room behind the navi to hide it all. And if you route the cables smartly, you could have them drop into the little cubby compartment that hosts the SD card reader, the USB plug and the aux in. A natural location if you asked me - one place for all your audio-video connection needs. That is where I keep the remote as well.
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Old 05-27-2014, 06:35 AM
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

I have not finalized the camera installation as previously mentioned, but it seems that if I add the lines, the image gets mirrored (as if for reverse cam use). I will sort it out tonight. This is how the camera was positioned on the car, when I tested it. I may have to try a different camera but the attachment points and the wiring is all done, therefore any replacement should be relatively painless.

I did drive the car around the block last night and also my wife to work this morning. The LockPick removed the restrictions for address entry while in motion. There is a slight delay for the front cam activation, just like in the videos posted by the gentleman with the software Lockpick. This delay is somewhere around 1 sec. Another way to quantify it, we have an option in UConnect settings to delay the rear cam when engaging the reverse gear. This front cam reverse is, time wise, between that delay and the regular timing of the rear cam. In other words inconsequential. The front cam gets activated when you put it in drive up to speeds faster than the rolling motion of the car without throttle input.

For the time being one significant difference to the software -LockPick version is that you cannot go back to the main radio screen easily during that time or if you are in Drive but stopped, foot on the brake. Placing the car in park or neutral brings the regular radio screens as does speeding above 7 mph. BUT I speculate that is because I wired the power to the front camera to the RED ACC wire and the BLACK GROUND rather than the ORANGE WITH STRIPES CAM wire and the BLACK GROUND. I think if I solder correctly, I will be able to use the BACK button on the radio to go back to the main radio screen.

I am split on whether this is annoying or not but it is really a matter of re-learning how things work. The front cam switches on only when you are stationary but in Drive and you cannot control the radio functions anymore. A nudge to Neutral solves that. The cam will not really switch on at the typical stop and go intersection with a STOP sign but in stop and go Chicago traffic or at a traffic light you will get the front view more than you want. At the traffic light you can put it in Neutral though. This is where the software LockPick might be more advantageous but then again, for that one you have to tap the screen to switch between inputs. If I make the Back button work, then we are good.
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

Great work. I don't have access to a Red Setter, though so I will have to look at other options.
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

Cool thread, this has me thinking about going forward with adding the front camera also. I used this Sony Camera for the rear. Maybe it will fit in the grill like you did or maybe just got for a cheap ebay camera.
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

I have finalized the installation and I am about 90% happy with how it turned out. I will revisit the mounting mechanism as well as the view. I am not yet fully decided on whether being able to see the front bumper is important or not, because I can use the yellow guiding lines. I may decide to mount it lower, closer to the radar sensor but I have already voted against that previously. Maybe it will be just closer to the bumper, at the lower edge of the radiator grille. But I must now turn to other projects.

Approximate views from my driving position, relative to the car in front and the space I actually have in front of the car. Each yellow line is about 1 foot (14-15 inches).
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Approximate views of the distance to the car in front from my driving position.

There is about a 3-4 foot (~1 meter) gap to the car in front.
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

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The camera attachment was finalized (pictures are still at an intermediary stage) but I did not have enough daylight left either Saturday or Sunday to start the Lockpick install and running the wire through the firewall. And it seems that I will be unable to do it over the Labor Day week-end. Anyways, the mounting took much longer than initially anticipated due to the fact that I wanted to plan for a possible camera replacement (either with same model or another brand) and I wanted to make the process go as smoothly as possible.
Thank you so much for great postings/pictures.
Where are you drawing the power for the front camera from?
I have a front camera but I am a newbie and am not sure how to do this.
My camera came with yellow jack for video output and red/black line for power. I am not sure exactly what to do with red/black line...
Details will be much appreciated.
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Thank you so much for great postings/pictures.
Where are you drawing the power for the front camera from?
I have a front camera but I am a newbie and am not sure how to do this.
My camera came with yellow jack for video output and red/black line for power. I am not sure exactly what to do with red/black line...
Details will be much appreciated.
(I am not f1anatic, but I can give an answer.)
The Lockpick CHR558 provides video and power connections. Below are the instructions I have with a wiring diagram. I use cameras that have a 4-pin connector and then cable adapters to connect power and video to the Lockpick. Maybe what you have is different, but the yellow connector is video, and the red/black wires would be connected to the optional camera power (red) and ground (black) as shown in the wiring diagram.

I have four cameras. The front cameras are only when in off-road mode with the lower facia removed.
  1. rear trailer (HD)
  2. middle front (HD)
  3. left tire front (bullet)
  4. right tire front (bullet)
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(I am not f1anatic, but I can give an answer.)
The Lockpick CHR558 provides video and power connections. Below are the instructions I have with a wiring diagram. I use cameras that have a 4-pin connector and then cable adapters to connect power and video to the Lockpick. Maybe what you have is different, but the yellow connector is video, and the red/black wires would be connected to the optional camera power (red) and ground (black) as shown in the wiring diagram.

I have four cameras. The front cameras are only when in off-road mode with the lower facia removed.
  1. rear trailer (HD)
  2. middle front (HD)
  3. left tire front (bullet)
  4. right tire front (bullet)
WOW! four cameras!!! I just purchased Customtronix RAX lockpick harness and it came with a front camera (with yellow for video; red/black cable). I do not have Lockpick CHR558 so I am trying to find out how/where I can get the power for the camera from... Thank you for the reply.
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Re: DIY 2014 Grand Cherokee Front View Camera

It would have been better if the RAX jailbreak would have come with a harness that also provides power. But it doesn't. Someone, in the other thread, mentioned where they tapped for power.

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could you please share the make and model of those cameras and where you purchased them from? I would like to add a few myself.
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could you please share the make and model of those cameras and where you purchased them from? I would like to add a few myself.
I mounted a camera on the rear bumper of my trailer so I can see behind it when towing. It is a mirrored, rear-facing camera. I got the kit from www.camera-source.com. It is on the Automotive->Universal page. (I also got my Lockpick with this kit.) They call it: "Heavy Duty 5th Wheel, Trailer, Camper Camera Kit for Lockpick and Universal Monitor Applications"

The three forward-facing cameras I got from Red Peak Off Road Home Page. Since mine are forward-facing, the two bullet cameras need to be unmirrored cameras. Make certain they know that (it took them three tries to get mine correct). They call them: Bullet Style RubiCam cameras. The main front camera is their Heavy Duty Style RubiCam (Reversible) camera. It has a couple swappable screws whose position selects mirrored (rear-facing) or unmirrored (forward-facing).

Disclaimer: I have no connection with either of these companies and there may be better and/or cheaper sources. Both had great customer service when I had issues.

And just for the record, the middle camera is permanently mounted to the bottom of the RRO winch mount. The bullet cameras are on brackets I made out of scrap angle brackets I found in the garage. They slide into the outside lower facia tab slot with a bolt through the slot when I remove the lower facia.
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