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Old 05-17-2011, 09:07 AM
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It's gonna be OK man, you are not alone. Carry on.

Some might call it crazy you dropping a critical safety item for more powerful audio, but from my perspective that's a + rep.
Appreciate the support...just called my insurance company + dealer, i have a double whammy backup plan with roadside/towing assistance plans, let's hope i never use it. Insurance agent literally laughed at me when I asked him about insuring 'aftermarket audio'...he's like, "are you 18?" Crickets on my end, made it awkward for him, it was funny. $68/year will insure my audio masterpiece!!

Just FYI and I'll keep you posted but be careful about totally disconnecting that stock Alpine (it's a total P.O.S., fyi) amp on the driver side rear panel. There may be a few integrated functions through that piece, however. There's not enough room (as you know) to put anything in there, but the good news is that Jeep did a decent job of providing basic sound damping (foam). Also, we had concerns about the possible heat issues under the rear seat, which is why i opted for the spare tire well and with that came substantial amp upgrades (cleaner power). Also, I'd be interested to see if you can get that center channel speaker out from the dash...my installer says no problem, but I'm all over him about this very difficult spot. This one is tricky, b/c it's a crucial sound location, but tough spot to get at.

Big picture, the car pretty much all do the same thing when it comes to audio, which is attracting the biggest name brand they can find, promoting a large number of speakers (mine has 9 speakers and 500 Watts, no MINE has 11 speakers and 900 watts!), but dumping literally that respective brand's LOWEST cost end solution in the car. If you do the math on most of these configurations, it typically works out to low/average power distribution, zero D/A conversion, weak subs, etc....and ironically, most production SOURCES are produced in 2 channel, 5.1 at the most (DTS, DVD-Audio,etc.). What do the extra 4-8 speakers actually DO? Not getting on the soap box, but the sound of a properly tuned 5 speaker + 1 sub system is truly remarkable, and staged perfectly. It's like...you are THERE.

We are disconnecting my rear 'fill' speakers, b/c when we listened to a number of tracks (both 2 channel source but also DVD-audio, etc.) those rear fills were doing nothing. The source unit is actually pretty good, thankfully...we can and will work with this piece, and enhance by adding the Audison BitONE (awesome piece), and I believe you are doing a similar config with the Alpine D/A.
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:25 PM
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Re: Do Not Try This at Home

@ Moose :

I'm working with my audio installers, and the subject has come up about increased power demands on the alternator, etc. With your system, did you have any dimming of lights or any other electronic issues during peak audio operation or otherwise?

I'm looking at 3 separate amps, generating > 1,500 Watts which will likely trigger electrical issues unless I address with a capacitor, High Output (aftermarket) Alternator, or 2nd battery (near amps) or some combo.

Are you totally fine post install or are you having any other issues? Do you know the stock amperes for the 2011 Jeep? I'm guessing 80-120, which may not be enough.
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:49 PM
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@ Moose :

I'm working with my audio installers, and the subject has come up about increased power demands on the alternator, etc. With your system, did you have any dimming of lights or any other electronic issues during peak audio operation or otherwise?

I'm looking at 3 separate amps, generating > 1,500 Watts which will likely trigger electrical issues unless I address with a capacitor, High Output (aftermarket) Alternator, or 2nd battery (near amps) or some combo.

Are you totally fine post install or are you having any other issues? Do you know the stock amperes for the 2011 Jeep? I'm guessing 80-120, which may not be enough.
Mines fine thus far and I'm pushing 750w Kicker amp. I have its replacement a JL Hd 900/5 in the box just havent swapped them out yet. No light dimming etc but then again I dont run the sub full its just to powerful and overbearing.
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Damn, I can't believe I missed this thread. Awesome! Any videos of the finished product.
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Mines fine thus far and I'm pushing 750w Kicker amp. I have its replacement a JL Hd 900/5 in the box just havent swapped them out yet. No light dimming etc but then again I dont run the sub full its just to powerful and overbearing.
Thks J13ntv after I posted last night I noticed a few guys had already completed aftermarket audio...I need to think about this, get some additional feedback and look at as many installs that have at least 3+ amps. I'm leaning towards extra caution b/c my dealer knows I'm doing all these mods and I don't want them to void the warranty. They are really good guys, installed my CAI, Sways, HID's, and Catch Can this weekend but when I brought up audio they were visibly disturbed. Electrical issues can trigger all sorts of bad stuff. I'm disappionted that my audio install shop didn't get 'ahead' of this, I'd expect them to ask more questions than I ask on this topic. This project is gonna happen no matter what I just want it done the right way.
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:05 AM
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Re: Do Not Try This at Home

I arrived a little late, but very nice upgrade moosehead!

Factory system is causing me ear fatigue... I need to keep volume by 10-15. Don't remember who said it, but I also want better bass and SQ, not interested in SPL.

Did anyone only upgrade the amp? Results? Did anyone knows if Audyssey XT can be added to the "Premium" Alpine systems?
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Re: Do Not Try This at Home

I know this is an old post but i was wondering if someone could give me some info...I just want a better bass response and dont mind my alpine system...could I drop in one of those JL Stealthboxes with its own dedicated amp and just run the rest of my system as is on its stock amp...I just want a ten in sub but dont care to go balls out like you guys and rip up my jeep like that...seriously you would have had to give me a xanax in order to watch my ride get pulled apart like that...I notice the smallest scratches on anything and I would be going nuts wondering how bad they were effing my ride up

Can that be a simple setup...just drop in the JL stealthbox with its own amp and call it a day? Any help would really be appreciated.
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Re: Do Not Try This at Home

Right now I only have replaced my radio with my Alpine IDA-X001 to run my iPod better. I still am waiting to install is my Image Dynamics IDMax 12 sub and Q1200.1 amp. I am looking at the XS-69's, X-65's and Q450.4 amp. I am making my fiberglass box over the winter here where it will go where the stealth box would go just custom for the IDMax 12. I miss my bumps. To me it's Image Dynamics or nothing. I used to install stereos when I was younger and was MECP certified at the time and still build systems in my free time for friends.

In my last car I had the alpine IDA-X001, IDmax 12, Q1200.1, and boston acoustics components. I have to keep the boston"s in the car but everything else is out. I even for a short time had my iPad 2 in for a little bit. Might make another mount to put the iPad in the jeep too.
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Moose, did you ever end up relocating the amp?

I'm planning on doing the JL Audio Stealth box, and have a couple of Alpine amps from my last SUV that I want to add as well. The space under the rear seats looks pretty tight, and I fold my rear sets down on a regular basis.

I saw the two amps mounted in the spare compartment, but don't think mine will fit. I'm wondering what people are doing to keep it looking stealth, but keeping the full function of the rear seats.
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Moose, did you ever end up relocating the amp?

I'm planning on doing the JL Audio Stealth box, and have a couple of Alpine amps from my last SUV that I want to add as well. The space under the rear seats looks pretty tight, and I fold my rear sets down on a regular basis.

I saw the two amps mounted in the spare compartment, but don't think mine will fit. I'm wondering what people are doing to keep it looking stealth, but keeping the full function of the rear seats.
67' I still haven't relocated the amps. There is good space under the front seats, not sure of heat tranfer to seat electronics. Maybe on top of the battery compartment lid?

Meanwhile, i'd love to see a full size photo or two of your avatar, 67 RS Camaro? Please and thank you.
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67' I still haven't relocated the amps. There is good space under the front seats, not sure of heat tranfer to seat electronics. Maybe on top of the battery compartment lid?

Meanwhile, i'd love to see a full size photo or two of your avatar, 67 RS Camaro? Please and thank you.
Thanks, I still haven't pulled my amps from the Montero, just looking for ideas. I'll probably start taking the old system apart this week and see if anything will transfer over.

I don't want to pollute your thread, but here's a couple of pics of the '67 Camaro. It's not a true SS, the previous owner put the badging on, but it does have a 350 sbc, and a ton of upgrades that I have done...Speedtech tubular upper and lower control arms, Hotchkis sway bar and lowering springs, Bilstein shocks, 12" Wilwood brakes w/6 piston calipers, 18" Foose Legends, Nitto 255's...




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