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theres the link to what im talking about. nobody can tell me that that V isnt drop dead gorgeous!!! hahaha sexy time...

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Old 10-03-2011, 07:28 PM
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Re: Ferrari Navigation

I agree with Scott, that Cady is not nice to the eye at all. It will date very quickly and looks like it has been modified by a 17yo ricer with an ebay addiction.
As for the GPS systems, they should let Garmin do a headunit, as they know how to get GPS working for a human and also seem to get the other interfaces right. I do not mind the Jeep one, but it is still no match to the Garmin Nuvi I have.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:32 PM
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false... i find that Cady to be quite beautifully designed with precise edges and a stunningly refined personality to boot... the fact that the car is fast as FUKC helps a bit too
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Re: Ferrari Navigation

Those caddy-lacks are soooooo ugly. And they keep making them uglier and uglier. The CTS-V from a few years ago wasn't so terrible, but they just keep making it worse.

On the subject of ugly luxury cars, the current MB S class is also terribly ugly.
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Re: Ferrari Navigation

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There are some features of the 730H that are done well, like the voice commands and hands free phone... but the menus are at least 5 years old, my 5 year old $300 garmin nuvi is a much better Nav system, my 5 year old $90 clarion radio does iPod integration much better... the google maps on my $600 iPad works much better than the traffic joke the radio provides, along with providing better local POIs, weather, Sirius radio, display quality... etc.

One of the recent Jeep surveys had questions about if it would make sense to just put a good quality display in the dash and let things like smart phones run it, or a space to mount/plug in a iPad or other tablet of the day.. Sounds like a good idea... as the OEM radio manufactures are so late getting features to market.

IMHO, all the factory in dash units leave something to be desired but gone are the days of easy replacement with something better.
funny that you say that i just read an article in automotive news about how manufacturers are dealing with the fact that technology updates so quickly that it becomes very dated within the lifespan of a car. they mentioned that some auto makers were considering doing something like you said like including a usb that comes out of the nav that could plug into a computer and update, making it more cell phone-like than indash-nav-like. they said the problem with doing this though, in the words form the article "such design removes the automakers brand from the telematics system." itll be cool to see how they actually handle this issue.

also the Cadillac ctsv is awesome i would love to drive that car. it looks mean and drives mean
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:05 PM
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I'm sure the bean counters will figure the optimum way to separate us from our cash....
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:21 PM
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Re: Ferrari Navigation

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There are some features of the 730H that are done well, like the voice commands and hands free phone... but the menus are at least 5 years old, my 5 year old $300 garmin nuvi is a much better Nav system, my 5 year old $90 clarion radio does iPod integration much better... the google maps on my $600 iPad works much better than the traffic joke the radio provides, along with providing better local POIs, weather, Sirius radio, display quality... etc.

One of the recent Jeep surveys had questions about if it would make sense to just put a good quality display in the dash and let things like smart phones run it, or a space to mount/plug in a iPad or other tablet of the day.. Sounds like a good idea... as the OEM radio manufactures are so late getting features to market.

IMHO, all the factory in dash units leave something to be desired but gone are the days of easy replacement with something better.
One of the problems with using a smartphone/tablet for nav is that if you are using a cloud based map service (as with Google Maps or the Garmin Streetpilot app for iOS, for a couple of examples), if you run out of a data connection you're pretty well hosed. Storing maps locally uses up valuable space (2GB of storage on that 16GB iPhone/iPad is not something to give up lightly).

While the standalone GPS units manage to do a fantastic job of user interface and map updates, the integration with the vehicle electronics is also very desirable (never had it built in before this WK2, but now I see why it's so expensive... it's worth it...). IMO, it could be improved if the automakers would be more consumer-focused in regards to in-dash electronics. As in, instead of contracting it out and forgetting about it, take some care in ensuring an upgrade path and moderating the cost of upgrades (none of these $200 map updates that are already out of date, thanks... how about a $200 lifetime map update policy).
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Re: Ferrari Navigation

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One of the problems with using a smartphone/tablet for nav is that if you are using a cloud based map service (as with Google Maps or the Garmin Streetpilot app for iOS, for a couple of examples), if you run out of a data connection you're pretty well hosed. Storing maps locally uses up valuable space (2GB of storage on that 16GB iPhone/iPad is not something to give up lightly).

While the standalone GPS units manage to do a fantastic job of user interface and map updates, the integration with the vehicle electronics is also very desirable (never had it built in before this WK2, but now I see why it's so expensive... it's worth it...). IMO, it could be improved if the automakers would be more consumer-focused in regards to in-dash electronics. As in, instead of contracting it out and forgetting about it, take some care in ensuring an upgrade path and moderating the cost of upgrades (none of these $200 map updates that are already out of date, thanks... how about a $200 lifetime map update policy).
Its not really a technical problem, there are a number of effective solutions in the industry. I know there are many here impressed by OEM efforts, but they are always one compromise or another, most of which are not the compromise I would make. I'm sure others would make different compromises. It would nice to be to plug in the solution I want, not some pencil pushing geek's idea of what I need

The radio is expensive because that's what the market will bear, not that its expensive technology (in other words its a pricing thing not cost). The radio is simply a rugged computer integrated with a radio receiver for a captive audience. It would be nice if it had something like an intel CPU so we could have more choices of software, and perhaps add our own apps. Wonder how well a chrysler app store would work...
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isn't the Mopar product built by Harman? Not surprising its used in other vehicles.
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Re: Ferrari Navigation

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One of the problems with using a smartphone/tablet for nav is that if you are using a cloud based map service (as with Google Maps or the Garmin Streetpilot app for iOS, for a couple of examples), if you run out of a data connection you're pretty well hosed. Storing maps locally uses up valuable space (2GB of storage on that 16GB iPhone/iPad is not something to give up lightly).

While the standalone GPS units manage to do a fantastic job of user interface and map updates, the integration with the vehicle electronics is also very desirable (never had it built in before this WK2, but now I see why it's so expensive... it's worth it...). IMO, it could be improved if the automakers would be more consumer-focused in regards to in-dash electronics. As in, instead of contracting it out and forgetting about it, take some care in ensuring an upgrade path and moderating the cost of upgrades (none of these $200 map updates that are already out of date, thanks... how about a $200 lifetime map update policy).
Nail on the head.

A lot of the time, manufacturers of electronics are ridiculously over-concerned with intellectual property rights. They try to intentionally build their devices in a way that you can't customize them. Apple is notorious for this. Why do they care if 2% of their customers want to install Linux in their car radio, or be able to obtain apps from somewhere other than Apple's approved list?

My mother's 2008 E550 has a nice nav unit. Well, it was nice back in 2002 or so when it was developed. Now it's clunky and hard to use. You can get a quarter-inch-thick Garmin now with a better screen that handles the nav, and the phone interface with voice commands and is much easier to use. The only drawback to a 3rd party device is the lack of integration, and then the lack of interface with the vehicle systems.

The reason for both problems is money. In the first item, they want to lock you in to getting updates or apps or whatever, through them only, so they can charge hundreds of dollars for what should only cost ten. In the second, they don't want to develop a new unit every year, so they will keep a nav unit for several years, even though it was outdated by Garmin at release.

I want a responsive touch screen. I want a high res display with great color, brightness, and contrast. I want disk or flash based navigation which can be updated for a reasonable price, like Garmin does. I want voice commands for the nav system at least, perhaps for every function. I want updatable functionality for anything that can become outdated.

This is something I stumbled upon recently:
http://www.dashdaq.com/index.htm
Is it the answer to all those things? Well, aside from being ugly: It can interface with vehicle functions, navigate, is customizable, handles entertainment. It doesn't have any bluetooth function, though. Sigh.
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Re: Ferrari Navigation

You guys dont know whats good...the new V's are sick looking!!!! :-)

As for the Chrysler radio in a Ferrari, thats just ridiculous!!!! Yes I know its a good unit cosmetically and functionally, but thats just downright disappointing knowing that the car cost as much as some peoples homes, but uses the same radio you can get in a 20,000 dollar Chrysler. WTF. I know the point of Ferrari is performance, but for the price tag it better damn well be the full package....oh yeah and my little stock Z06 in my avatar out performs most Ferraris. I could never justify buying an exotic. Unless ofcourse I was filthy rich :-)
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