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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

Guys, thanks so much for the explanation. It all makes sense now. I thought people were saying before that there was no way to do the system with out the LOC but I thought I found a way around it. It sounds like it will suffice, but it could be even better with the LOC.


1stJeep. My sub is a 12" W6. You knowledge is awesome, I will definitely have to reach out to you more if I make any changes. Is there a LOC that you recommend if I go that route? I may not be a complete audiophile but I really enjoy a good set up. I have Shure SE535 earphones, if that shows my dedication to sound. I assumed that my stereo was as good as it would get with the speakers I had installed, but it seems like a LOC could take it up a notch!
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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

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Talked to my guy today and he told me that he has the JL Audio 900/5 running directly off of the factory amp. He soldered on RCA cables on the factory amp and ran those to the JL. I'm sure it is more involved than that, but it works and sounds great! Looks like the way to go if you don't want a line out converter.
So you're running the speaker level output of the stock amp to the line level inputs (RCA) of the JL Audio?
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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

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1stJeep. My sub is a 12" W6. You knowledge is awesome, I will definitely have to reach out to you more if I make any changes. Is there a LOC that you recommend if I go that route? I may not be a complete audiophile but I really enjoy a good set up. I have Shure SE535 earphones, if that shows my dedication to sound. I assumed that my stereo was as good as it would get with the speakers I had installed, but it seems like a LOC could take it up a notch!
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You are quite welcome.

As I said previously, you do not have to rush into an LOC to take it up a notch. Since you have a the JL Audio HD900/5, you can use it to your advantage for now.

By using the JL's built-in crossover, you can set it to improve the performance of the sub and the front door 6.5 speakers. Try this to see if you have any improvement if your installer had not done so: By setting the subwoofer channel crossover filter frequency to about 80hz and a slope of 12db. The front channel crossover filter frequency to 80 hz and a slope of 24db. (Consult page 2 of your amp manual.) IMO, with the rear coaxial you have, I would set it at 125 hz and 24db. From this point you can make slight adjustments to see if you can tune it better to your liking.

With regards to getting an LOC in the future depends if you want to keep a surround sound system in the JGC. If you do, then their are different ways for you to approach this with the equipment you have already invested in. Otherwise, I would wait until the aftermarket HU's for the 2014 is out.

Getting back to your noise problem, check the input voltage range switch (right side of the amp) to see if set to 2 VRMS and lower the gains, especially the rear channel. The coaxial does not need all that power.

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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

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So you're running the speaker level output of the stock amp to the line level inputs (RCA) of the JL Audio?
Greetings,

Depending on the equipment and the year of the JGC WK2 you are upgrading the Alpine Premium Factory sound system, you do not need an LOC at first. The overall upgrade design will determine that. Many of the new aftermarket DSP units have a 6 channel high level speaker input built-in to perform the correct summing of the signals. Therefore, you do not need an LOC.

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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

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Greetings,

You are quite welcome.

As I said previously, you do not have to rush into an LOC to take it up a notch. Since you have a the JL Audio HD900/5, you can use it to your advantage for now.

By using the JL's built-in crossover, you can set it to improve the performance of the sub and the front door 6.5 speakers. Try this to see if you have any improvement if your installer had not done so: By setting the subwoofer channel crossover filter frequency to about 80hz and a slope of 12db. The front channel crossover filter frequency to 80 hz and a slope of 24db. (Consult page 2 of your amp manual.) IMO, with the rear coaxial you have, I would set it at 125 hz and 24db. From this point you can make slight adjustments to see if you can tune it better to your liking.

With regards to getting an LOC in the future depends if you want to keep a surround sound system in the JGC. If you do, then their are different ways for you to approach this with the equipment you have already invested in. Otherwise, I would wait until the aftermarket HU's for the 2014 is out.

Getting back to your noise problem, check the input voltage range switch (right side of the amp) to see if set to 2 VRMS and lower the gains, especially the rear channel. The coaxial does not need all that power.

Best for now.
You are awesome, thanks man! I'll make those tweaks this weekend and see what happens.

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You are awesome, thanks man! I'll make those tweaks this weekend and see what happens.

Thanks!
Greetings,

No problem any time.


One of these days, I have to get out to Colorado and so some skiing on real powder.

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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

I skied a 26" dump (in 24 hours) 2 weeks ago... and it hasn't stopped snowing since. We have plenty of it out here this year!
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Re: Full Audio System NO Line Out Converter

It's not the "LOC" you need per say. You need to be able to sum the OE signals in order to provide a full-range signal to your amp. Otherwise, your great aftermarket speakers are not seeing their potential. The cheapest way you can do this is with a ~$110 Audiocontrol LC6i -- all they way up to $800-900 DSPs.
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