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Old 07-14-2014, 09:00 AM
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Re: Navigation Issues

It's a Garmin according to the Jeep folks.

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Old 07-14-2014, 12:34 PM
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Re: Navigation Issues

Then its a very poor version of a Garmin. The logic is terrible on it, if you have avoid traffic turrned on it will reroute you 45 minutes out of your way to avoid a small fraction of yellow on your path that may have taken an extra 3 minutes to get through had you stayed on your original path.

My 8 year old garmin 7500 had traffic avoidance on it, it is nothing new and it worked perfect it judged the sevaritry of the traffic vs the time of the reroute and always came up with the fastest path. This jeep version will reroute you through Antartica if an ant crosses your path.

The answer isnt uncheck traffic avoidance(or maybe it is when it comes to jeep), the answer is once again jeep fix your software! or get your vendor to fix it. same as the other dozen or more software issues over the last year. Maybe the combination of upcoming new maps and new uconnect software we should see soon will do something wait and see as always
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Re: Navigation Issues

I had traffic avoidance on for the first 5 months with my 14 Limited and yes it was terrible, not usable. It rerouted me down every little side street to avoid a tiny bit of traffic. I completely turned live traffic off and it works pretty good now. The whole Unconnect system just doesn't work great as a functional, fluid system. The Uconnect system that was in my 2011 GC and I believe the one that is still in the Wrangler if I'm not mistaken was so bad I was embarrassed when someone came in my car. The graphics looked like my kid did a drawing on the screen. It remains the Achilles heel in what otherwise is a great vehicle.
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Re: Navigation Issues

I have always kept traffic off; never used it even with the NUVI portable from the old truck. Actually, I don't use the in dash NAV much at all, rarely need it locally and I prefer my NUVI when taking a trip as I can do all the planning and routing on my desktop and upload it to the unit. The GC's NAV doesn't allow that function, as well as other useful ones.
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Re: Navigation Issues

I used traffic avoidance on my old unit for 8 years and it worked great so i know what a good implementaion looks like. This one just needs a lot of work
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Re: Navigation Issues

Everything I have read on here and my experience with Garmin units says this IS NOT GARMIN.

A high end Jeep should have a state-of-the-art GPS for highway AND off-road. It should have topo maps available, a real active log that doesn't disappear when the ignition is turned off, and a computer interface to enable two way waypoint, route, and track communication. (8.4" Garmin Montana 650)

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Re: Navigation Issues

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Everything I have read on here and my experience with Garmin units says this IS NOT GARMIN.

A high end Jeep should have a state-of-the-art GPS for highway AND off-road. It should have topo maps available, a real active log that doesn't disappear when the ignition is turned off, and a computer interface to enable two way waypoint, route, and track communication. (8.4" Garmin Montana 650)

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Greetings,

I have only seen the RA4 briefly and based on the feedback from others, this could very will be Garmin's OEM B line software.

With out even a doubt Jeep should have put a state-of-the-art GPS in. The Garmin app gives many of the features you stated. In fact, Garmin does have a telematics system to interface the smartphone with the OEM HU for full touchscreen interfacing. Even IGO Primo has one. The real kicker over at Land Rover, they give you now 2 options for GPS. The factory and a smartphone full interface using a spec Sygic app. Sygic also has many of the functions you mentioned.

I just recently tried Sygic again with latest version for IOS next gen. One nice feature I saw was the terrain was moving up and down with the road, thus some topography (no ring contours visible).

The bottom line is, over at the AV department at Chrysler they show signs of being still in the 2000's with their old technology. The word "state-of-the-art" is not in their mandate or vocabulary.

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Re: Navigation Issues

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Everything I have read on here and my experience with Garmin units says this IS NOT GARMIN.

A high end Jeep should have a state-of-the-art GPS for highway AND off-road. It should have topo maps available, a real active log that doesn't disappear when the ignition is turned off, and a computer interface to enable two way waypoint, route, and track communication. (8.4" Garmin Montana 650)

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Oh come on!! This is a troll who named themselves TOM!! Or should I say TOM TOM!!!

Just kidding. I just enjoyed the fact we have TOM indicating the mapping is not GARMIN. On to the topic. I thought the Infotainment system was developed and powered by Harman, which also includes the navigation:

Harman - Press Releases - Jeep Grand Cherokee drivers sit back and enjoy – with new HARMAN infotainment and audio systems
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Everything I have read on here and my experience with Garmin units says this IS NOT GARMIN.
Take a look Might want to give customer assistance a call.

https://www.garmin.com/auto-update/?lang=en_US
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On July 1, 2014, I wrote to Mr. Alan Amici, Head of Global Uconnect at Fiat S.p.A. and Chrysler Group, LLC concerning poor voice recognition (VR) and map updates for Uconnect. He replied within two weeks, and his response concerming the map update is provided below.

Thank you for your letter. We appreciate the details you provided as customer feedback assists our teams in the continuous improvement of our Uconnect Systems and Services. There will be a Map Update available for your vehicle mid-October 2014. We apologize for the delay in providing this to our customers...

The Chrysler Uconnect Team is actively working to make Map Updates available with greater frequency to our customers and agree that with the rapidly evolving transportation infrastructure, it is crucial to make Uconnect a useful and intuitive tool for our customers. We are continuously exploring new technologies that allow greater interaction between the driver and the vehicle in order to benefit from connected vehicle technologies. Our focus remains on developing solutions that allow our drivers to keep both hands on the wheel and stay focused on driving, which is why some features on the touch screen are locked out while the vehicle is in motion. Chrysler Group, LLC conforms with voluntary industry guidelines for mitigating driver distraction.

I was very impressed with Mr. Amici's quick response and the level of detail he offered. As an example of the issue with VR, I had provided an address that gave me problems on a recent 1200 mile trip. My son and I tried so many variations over a period of many miles, it was comical. We finally had to pull over and manually enter the address, which the system picked up quickly. Mr. Amici had his staff research the address, offered suggestions for better recognition, such as "one hundred twelve" rather than "one one two", as well as providing an image to support their findings. They were able to get the VR to work with the right numeral designation.

The map data is supplied by Navteq, now named HERE.... what marketing genius came up with that stupid name??? Their automated asnswering service says "thank you for calling HERE...if you know your party's extension.... just plain stupid. Anyway, HERE also provides map data for Mapquest and other companies. It is my understanding that The Harmon Group provides the software, and it is my understanding that it is a Garmin OEM product designed to Chrysler infotainment specifications. A supervisor at HERE told me that they are merely the "reseller of Chrysler map updates".

Anyway, as indicated also by the previous post, look for updates in October.
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Ah so Harmon does the software. Theres the ones to blame for the idiotic rerouting logic they have created. Time for them to go to garmin and ask for some help from somone who has had traffic avoidance working right fof a decade.
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Greetings,

Just as I suspected. Finally, now that the problems have reach the top of Fiat, maybe some results will happen in the near future.

I notice lately that HERE, formally know as Navteq, has been very slow in their period update over last year or so. In some of my navi apps that uses the map data from HERE, they have supplied the update map data any where from 6 to 9 months. I notice that in IGO Primo and Garmin's North America apps, the current map data is from Nov/Dec of 2013. On the flip side, TomTom supplied map data to their 3rd party navi apps, as well as their own app, is updated anywhere from 3 to 5 months.

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