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Ah so Harmon does the software. Theres the ones to blame for the idiotic rerouting logic they have created. Time for them to go to garmin and ask for some help from somone who has had traffic avoidance working right fof a decade.
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The real problems is not so much of Harmon, rather, Chrysler who provides the design specifications for their contractors to follow and deliver at a certain price point. For a premium system, Chrysler should have had and now in the future, instruct Harman to integrate the full blown Garmin System into the Uconnect. The same system you find on the top of line Garmin PND and Kenwood aftermarket headunit.

It seams that other car manufactures have started to wake up in their audio divisions and responded to the consumer requests.

These days, the entire Harman Group, have been taking a finical beating and the level of their products have started to go down in their various brands over the last few years. A lot of good people have left Harman for a more secure finical future. i started to notice this in their pro division lately.

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Old 07-15-2014, 08:34 AM
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Greetings,

The real problems is not so much of Harmon, rather, Chrysler who provides the design specifications for their contractors to follow and deliver at a certain price point. For a premium system, Chrysler should have had and now in the future, instruct Harman to integrate the full blown Garmin System into the Uconnect. The same system you find on the top of line Garmin PND and Kenwood aftermarket headunit.

It seams that other car manufactures have started to wake up in their audio divisions and responded to the consumer requests.

These days, the entire Harman Group, have been taking a finical beating and the level of their products have started to go down in their various brands over the last few years. A lot of good people have left Harman for a more secure finical future. i started to notice this in their pro division lately.

Best for now.
You are right chysler needs to over see their subs better but Harmon who supposedly has a good reputation should take a little more pride on not to put junk on the market as it also tarnishes their name. A good prime-sub relation is hand and hand the whole way not sign a contract and say see you in two years.
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Re: Navigation Issues

I was a frequent renter, I rented all the time, at least every two to four weeks. So Alamo put me in a lot of different Chrysler products over the last 30 months. The navigation used to be the proper Garmin system, it changed about a year ago, to the current Harman system. I first met it in a JGC in mid November last year.

So it isn't that the Jeep designed UI is poor, the underlying navigation software has changed and it is about ten years behind the times for ETA prediction and routing quality. My $300 stand alone Garmin learns which ways I go to avoid traffic and suggests them instead of the traffic-light-at-every-corner roads it originally preferred. I live on Bay Farm Island which is part of Alameda in the San Francisco Bay, coming home up I880 Garmin tells me to take 98th to Ron Cowan Parkway, cross Oakland Airport and then take a couple of turns to arrive home. Harman tells me to take Davis much of the time and then follow Doolittle to Harbor Bay Parkway, which is much further and slower. And it doesn't learn.

So this is much more than just a change of UI.

While the voice recognition is desperately slow, it at least understands my base English English voice. The Garmin system and Android phones don't have any beginning of a clue what I am saying.

The fix for this is either several years of effort at Harman to develop a decent product, or reversion to the working Garmin software they used to have.
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Old 07-15-2014, 01:02 PM
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I was a frequent renter, I rented all the time, at least every two to four weeks. So Alamo put me in a lot of different Chrysler products over the last 30 months. The navigation used to be the proper Garmin system, it changed about a year ago, to the current Harman system. I first met it in a JGC in mid November last year.

So it isn't that the Jeep designed UI is poor, the underlying navigation software has changed and it is about ten years behind the times for ETA prediction and routing quality. My $300 stand alone Garmin learns which ways I go to avoid traffic and suggests them instead of the traffic-light-at-every-corner roads it originally preferred. I live on Bay Farm Island which is part of Alameda in the San Francisco Bay, coming home up I880 Garmin tells me to take 98th to Ron Cowan Parkway, cross Oakland Airport and then take a couple of turns to arrive home. Harman tells me to take Davis much of the time and then follow Doolittle to Harbor Bay Parkway, which is much further and slower. And it doesn't learn.

So this is much more than just a change of UI.

While the voice recognition is desperately slow, it at least understands my base English English voice. The Garmin system and Android phones don't have any beginning of a clue what I am saying.

The fix for this is either several years of effort at Harman to develop a decent product, or reversion to the working Garmin software they used to have.
Agree and its a shame because I really do like the whole uconnect concept and the way it is setup very user friendly and easy to use. the underneith logic, terrible though.
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Agree and its a shame because I really do like the whole uconnect concept and the way it is setup very user friendly and easy to use. the underneith logic, terrible though.
This has turned into an old slapstick comedy routine; Jeep says my system is a Garmin based on the VIN; Garmn says it isn't based on the NAV options on the screen. Maybe it is a Tom-Tom

Perhaps the October update will be for a Magellan
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This has turned into an old slapstick comedy routine; Jeep says my system is a Garmin based on the VIN; Garmn says it isn't based on the NAV options on the screen. Maybe it is a Tom-Tom

Perhaps the October update will be for a Magellan
And the maps are based on mapquest/bing..... lol!
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and ordered through NAVTEQ

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I received a phone call from UConnect support. Apparently my question found its way to them. Anyhow, and FWIW, this is the info they gave to me; the hardware head unit is a Garmin, it is sent to Harmon-Becker that configures it to Chrysler/Jeep specification and it is then sent to Jeep where the Here, the renamed Navteq folks, maps are loaded.

I think I will stick with my Garmin NUVI 750 and use the UConnect nav for the weather radar


Edit: Couple other things; cannot plan routes and/or POI's external to the unit and then load them, no maps other then the Here stuff are useable, no topo maps are available (this is a Jeep right?), no plans for annual map updates. Others here are probably aware of these, but I'm a newbie to Jeep, just 3 months in.
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I received a phone call from UConnect support. Apparently my question found its way to them. Anyhow, and FWIW, this is the info they gave to me; the hardware head unit is a Garmin, it is sent to Harmon-Becker that configures it to Chrysler/Jeep specification and it is then sent to Jeep where the Here, the renamed Navteq folks, maps are loaded.

I think I will stick with my Garmin NUVI 750 and use the UConnect nav for the weather radar
Greetings,

Yep, just as I said. And history repeats itself with Chrysler/Jeep.

Maybe somebody should tell Chrysler to look at the calendar and see what we are living in. I am not effected by this, those who have the Uconnect's certainly do not deserve this stupidity. Furthermore, those who have the 8.4 and want to goto an aftermarket headunit solution are still stuck at the moment.

Basiclly, the choices for a GPS work around are going with PND, a lock pick interface that allows you to hook into an external GPS module, a smartphone and a wifi interface to mirror your phone onto the big screen.

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Basiclly, the choices for a GPS work around are going with PND, a lock pick interface that allows you to hook into an external GPS module, a smartphone and a wifi interface to mirror your phone onto the big screen.

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...or android auto (coming soon?)
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...or android auto (coming soon?)
Greetings,

Forgot tha one.

Oh yea, I forgot about CarPlay is driving around (soon, maybeeeee?)


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Carplay that's probably the reason you can't respond to text's thru the car with your iphone. They can't give you everything with carplay coming along soon.
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