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Old 07-25-2014, 06:35 PM
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Hardware : Harmon
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Will are there any plans to improve the logic of the unit concerning how it selects routes, reroutes due to traffic or other reasons? this seem to be a very beta/early attempt to implement things garmin mastered a decade ago. not even sure where that improvement would be made, part of uconnect updates? part of upcoming map database updates? or other? right now the only good setting for the "avoid traffic" check box is to turn it off unless you want to be run an hour out of your way for the slightest bit of yellow on a route, which makes no sense. I have been using a good implementation of traffic avoidance for the last 8 years on a garmin so a little disappointed thinking this jeep was going to contain a state of the art system.

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Old 07-25-2014, 08:38 PM
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Will are there any plans to improve the logic of the unit concerning how it selects routes, reroutes due to traffic or other reasons? this seem to be a very beta/early attempt to implement things garmin mastered a decade ago. not even sure where that improvement would be made, part of uconnect updates? part of upcoming map database updates? or other? right now the only good setting for the "avoid traffic" check box is to turn it off unless you want to be run an hour out of your way for the slightest bit of yellow on a route, which makes no sense. I have been using a good implementation of traffic avoidance for the last 8 years on a garmin so a little disappointed thinking this jeep was going to contain a state of the art system.
TMK it will be a combination of map and UConnect updates.

Have you tried setting the time on the traffic re-route higher, (more than 10 min).?
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Re: Navigation Issues

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Have you tried setting the time on the traffic re-route higher, (more than 10 min).?
This was the magic number for me. Anything less and the rerouting was ridiculous.
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Re: Navigation Issues

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Base OS: QNX
GPS "Mapping interface" : Garmin (yes some of the decision making input is fiddled with by UConnect software interface)
GPS Map Data : HERE (Navteq)
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As Maxwell (Agent 86) Smart would have said, Missed it by two.

Completely for got about the the Uconnect and the Base OS. QNX was once upon a time owned by Harmon before they sold to Blackberry.

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Re: Navigation Issues

ETA's - I've used a number of systems and they give you an approximation based on various assumptions, some of which the user can alter. With every system I've had I always add approx. 40 minutes to the systems best guess. That usually puts me spot on, depends on the length of the trip. The system doesn't know when you are going to make stops or run into heavy traffic.
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Re: Navigation Issues

The navigation is terrible in the 2015 grand cherokee I just bought. My 2011 Cadillac cts had better navigation.
Please tell me they are going to improve with a software update?


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Old 10-06-2014, 03:54 PM
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The navigation is terrible in the 2015 grand cherokee I just bought. My 2011 Cadillac cts had better navigation.
Please tell me they are going to improve with a software update?


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In all honesty, they might correct some bugs in a firmware update. In general, they do not improve existing or add new features. The only thing they update is the map database.

That is why you see many here use a lock pick system to integrate their smartphones into the Uconnect system.

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The 2015 NAV is actually pretty decent for an in-car oem NAV. Of course, I still prefer waze and Google maps on Android, but overall, it's a pretty decent system.

The far bigger issue I see is that the 8AN hardware (chipset, etc) is not adequate to handle multiple tasks very well like radio, NAV, etc at the same time.
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Re: Navigation Issues

That's just not true. This thousand dollar system is not as good as CoPilot on Android which cost something like $35. The auto zoom is abysmal and the time predictions aren't near as good as Garmin was doing ten years ago. The previous generation of Uconnect used Garmin so this is a major step back. Then there's all the missing roads, for example Willow on the other side of 84 from the Facebook headquarters. According to this navigation system that's an unnamed road. It hasn't even altered in the 16 years I have lived here. My traffic information keeps vanishing. With the garbage autozoom you can't even see traffic information in time to do anything about it, which is why I keep it switched off.

The Infiniti and even the Ford systems are better. Toyota is not good. Mercedes is better. Just the ones I have tried.
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Greetings,

Wow, something really got misinterpreted with some statements.

"The 2015 NAV is actually pretty decent for an in-car oem NAV."

It is not excellent and it is note bad is the way I read it, therefore it is not a true winner of a GPS. In the next part of the sentence clear states that our fellow member uses another GPS as the real preference, "I still prefer waze and Google maps on Android, but overall, it's a pretty decent system."

So, the bottom line here is, at least in the 2015 model year, it is open for opinion. Then again, is there really the perfect GPS system?

However, the key point that was overlooked and very well stated is, The far bigger issue I see is that the 8AN hardware (chipset, etc) is not adequate to handle multiple tasks very well like radio, NAV, etc at the same time."

In this day and age, I can not understand why the Uconnect hardware is not up to today's standards. The aftermarket world learned their lesson and in the last 2 years, better processors are now incorporated into the units. This allows for speed, graphics and multitasking to take place. Yes Ford is always moving forward with technology in some way. Other car manufactures have gone to improved screens to match the resolution and performance of the tablets and computers. If Chrysler is going to support Apple's CarPlay or Google's OAA, then better get up to speed with the hardware.

Moreover, the great advantage of apps over the OE GPS fixed software systems and including the aftermarket HU counterparts is, you can update existing features and get new ones. Thus, the ability to say current without purchasing a new vehicle or an aftermarket headunit to get improved GPS. Other manufactures like Chevy allow you to integrate your smartphone with a GPS system into the headunit. They use BingGO as the app. Jaguar, Land Rover and certain Honda models have teamed up with Sygic as the smartphone app.

Thank heaven when I got my JGC it did not come with any navigation, because I felt the 430N or 730 was way behind the times, even back then. Smartphone navi apps were launching with great features and better graphics. As the chipset improved so did the software. Likewise, with the tablets.

Just my rant that I have been on since 2011 even though I am now on much better aftermarket HU as compared to the OE HU and I can enjoy my apps.

The best way to get Chrysler to do something, is for all us to complain on the customer survey forms.

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I use CoPilot on my Samsung Galaxy S5. I just asked it to route me from here in Alameda CA to Halifax NS and it took two seconds to calculate the 2800 mile route, and an alternate. I paid about $50 for the application with a year of traffic information. I just did the 14.25.05 update and after that I gave the Jeep the same destination. 16 seconds later it had one route. So it runs about 1/30th of the speed of a phone.

The maps are also nowhere near up to date. Hayward CA switched to an awful one way system last year, it still isn't reflected in the current maps on the Jeep. I keep getting laughable directions when I pass through there. This is not good enough.

I used to work for Motorola, not the phone part, but the former Symbol part. We made hand scanners which are basically a decent windows computer with a 2D laser scanner and video camera to read all possible bar codes and QR codes. But engineered so you can throw them at a concrete floor and they won't show any sign of damage. Our manufacturing guys pulled an iPhone 4 to pieces, there's about $100 in hardware in there. A Galaxy S5 won't cost much more than $200, I'd be surprised if it even cost that. So the difference in cost between the head unit and one with decent hardware is minimal.

This is not a good or even half way decent system. A Galaxy Tab 8.4 retails for around $400, it has a much better screen and a vastly faster processor.

Two weekends ago I drove East on I80 through Reno NV then on to US50 (not the loneliest highway) through Falon and Austin. About thirty miles later I turned right on a barely visible track. 5 hours later I emerged on US6 (quite possibly America's loneliest highway) about 40 miles east of Topopah. For most of that time CoPilot showed the track I was on and the Jeep was totally lost.

For off-road in the future I will use CoPilot on a Galaxy Tab Pro. If I could have got the diesel without the navigation I think I would have saved my money.

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NAV update was supposed to be mid-Oct. Past that point and nothing yet. I gave the NAV system a chance on our 2K mile New England trip; got us lost 4 times, but Garmin to the rescue. I doubt I will be using the NAV for long trips again, nor paying for a map update, unless something dramatic happens. And so it goes, or attempts too...
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