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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

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My VW's have that disclaimer, you press it and go. My 2009 NAV in the Passat is higher resolution and much faster compared to the 2014 premium Jeep/Garmin Nav system, go figure.
I'm more and more tending towards choosing my vehicles based on the overall phone, Nav, entertainment integration, even down to the steering wheel buttons and cluster displays. Love what VW/Audi and most other German makes are doing in that department. Italy has some catching up to do I'm thinking...
Even the aftermarket ones are getting into the act. I installed a Pioneer AVIC8000NEX in my MX5 Club last November and the instructions included a wire to be hooked up to the parking brake. But, I found a way to bypass that so you can use the NAV while moving.

At the very least, they should have a passenger seat sensor so that a passenger can work the NAV while in motion. Trying to stop on the side of the expressway to find an interim destination like a gas station or a motel can be a PITA and could also be dangerous. At least the default in the Jeep allows voice control, but that isn't an option with the Pioneer unit.

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Old 06-24-2015, 02:01 AM
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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

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Even the aftermarket ones are getting into the act. I installed a Pioneer AVIC8000NEX in my MX5 Club last November and the instructions included a wire to be hooked up to the parking brake. But, I found a way to bypass that so you can use the NAV while moving.

At the very least, they should have a passenger seat sensor so that a passenger can work the NAV while in motion. Trying to stop on the side of the expressway to find an interim destination like a gas station or a motel can be a PITA and could also be dangerous. At least the default in the Jeep allows voice control, but that isn't an option with the Pioneer unit.
Agree.
In my case I hardly ever use voice input, I find myself using Siri on iPhone more often for Navigation input but the Jeep system often doesn't get my commands, it's a bit frustrating. Also no live traffic on my Jeep Nav...but enough complaining. While not close to as good as Google Maps on iPhone the Jeep/Garmin system is good enough for me.
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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

you likely won't find a new vehicle in the US that you can type unless the vehicle is in park.

the new "voluntary guidelines" from the feds- that all the manufacturers had to "agree to" in order to keep more draconian mandatory regulations from occurring limit you to touching the screen 6 times (off the top of my head) to do any one function. So you can't type a phone number never mind a complete address. They also are not permitted to display more than 30 (again top of my head) letters at a time for you to read- hence no 160 character text messages allowed on the screen while the vehicle is not in park.

This is just "phase 1"- Phase 2 will attack 3rd party gps, laptops, smartphones, etc. They've already started crafting "voluntary guidelines" for those also. My guess would be that anything with a touchscreen or a keyboard will be required to have a GPS chip or a gyro and will need to "lock out" while in motion. There's already apps you can get for smartphones voluntarily today that behave that way while in motion- probably they will become madatory at some point. There's some debate apparently how not to lock down the kids and wife in the passenger seats of the car- apparently there are already 3rd party hardware "solutions" that you can install- will be interesting if those get mandated too. (things like putting multiple bluetooth transceivers in the car to decide what seat the smartphone is in- sort of like apple tracks your location in stores with ibeacon)

the 3rd phase will "deal with" voice response systems. Apparently they are even offensive.

I guess eventually they will just mandate self driving cars as non of us can be trusted to drive otherwise....

Google for 'NHTSA distracted driving' for all the depressing information.
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Old 06-24-2015, 08:59 PM
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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

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you likely won't find a new vehicle in the US that you can type unless the vehicle is in park.

the new "voluntary guidelines" from the feds- that all the manufacturers had to "agree to" in order to keep more draconian mandatory regulations from occurring limit you to touching the screen 6 times (off the top of my head) to do any one function. So you can't type a phone number never mind a complete address. They also are not permitted to display more than 30 (again top of my head) letters at a time for you to read- hence no 160 character text messages allowed on the screen while the vehicle is not in park.

This is just "phase 1"- Phase 2 will attack 3rd party gps, laptops, smartphones, etc. They've already started crafting "voluntary guidelines" for those also. My guess would be that anything with a touchscreen or a keyboard will be required to have a GPS chip or a gyro and will need to "lock out" while in motion. There's already apps you can get for smartphones voluntarily today that behave that way while in motion- probably they will become madatory at some point. There's some debate apparently how not to lock down the kids and wife in the passenger seats of the car- apparently there are already 3rd party hardware "solutions" that you can install- will be interesting if those get mandated too. (things like putting multiple bluetooth transceivers in the car to decide what seat the smartphone is in- sort of like apple tracks your location in stores with ibeacon)

the 3rd phase will "deal with" voice response systems. Apparently they are even offensive.

I guess eventually they will just mandate self driving cars as non of us can be trusted to drive otherwise....

Google for 'NHTSA distracted driving' for all the depressing information.
That probably means iPhone all the way in my vehicles.
I'd think you could probably send stuff from iPhone to head unit while in motion?
How about locking iPhone down while walking? Almost got me in trouble in the past.
Next comes no talking while eating :-)
Life is becoming more complicated for sure.
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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

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That probably means iPhone all the way in my vehicles.
I'd think you could probably send stuff from iPhone to head unit while in motion?
How about locking iPhone down while walking? Almost got me in trouble in the past.
Next comes no talking while eating :-)
Life is becoming more complicated for sure.
google and apple both are working on systems where your phone will be the brain to run the infotainment screen. Apple calls theirs carplay and google is Android auto. At one point FCA said they would make airplay work in something at some point. There's a few (very few) OEM and aftermarket systems that have one, or the other, or both built in. I've not looked but I assume they are limited to the 6 press rule also when connected to the car.

I think I've read that both systems supposedly are based on QNX which is the underlying OS on these uconnect systems.

If some future version of uconnect gets carplay and/or android auto, I hope that customtronix figures out how to backport it to the 2014's.

walking while chewing gum soon to be illegal....
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Old 07-03-2015, 07:18 AM
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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

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Going slowly

I think I will have an autoelectrician do the cable runs - I know one who appears to know a lot about the JGC's. I want him to do a brake controller anyway, and run power to the towbar for a new camper trailer we're getting in a couple of months. He should know the best place to pick up the 12v.

The rear camera will be mounted on the rear of the camper trailer, and I want to use it as a rear vision camera, not just reversing. Hence the use of the lockpick, rather than switching into the car's rear camera.

The front camera is also a bit of an issue. I have an ARB bull bar, which I expect will partly obscure the image if it's mounted in the grill. But there's no obvious way to mount it on the bar itself. I want it mainly to see the ground immediately in front of the car on 4wd tracks rather than just cars ahead and when parking.

I'll post how it all comes together, but it will be a while yet - I need to get extra tabs welded onto the towbar for the camera and Anderson plugs first.

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Finally have the silver package installed. Along with a brake controller and power for my camper trailer, I had an auto electrician do the work. I installed both the front cam and cargo cam features before I took it to the auto electrician. Got blue screens on both before the front cam was installed, which is working well. The cargo cam feature will drive the ARB rear view camera on the soon-to-be-acquired camper trailer, so can't be tested yet.
My early views on the front cam:
I would like to be able to disable it temporarily. The only option I know of is to uninstall the feature using the Lockpick software. This also seems to require a factory reset, and this is a pain, as you lose all the radio, phone, and random other settings.
I installed the front cam for off-road use, and it is good for that - I can see the ground maybe 1.5m in front of the wheels, vs about 5m out the windscreen.
Otherwise, I don't see a lot of use for it around town, and I have discovered two (minor) annoyances with it:
1. When driving in heavy city traffic, and trying to use the navigator to see where to turn next, the front cam turns on every time you slow below about 20 kph. If I'm trying to watch the map to see what lane I need to be in, for example, I have to keep touching the screen to bring the map up - and do this repeatedly. If I had the choice, I would disable the front cam in this situation.
2. When I shift from Park to Reverse, the Jeep reversing camera comes on almost instantly. But when going from drive to reverse, there is a delay of 4-5 seconds before the reverse view appears. This did not happen before the front cam feature was installed. Not a big deal, but annoying when, say, moving from drive to reverse when reverse parking. Again, if I had the option I would temporarily disable it.

The electrician got ignition switched power for both cameras from the cigarette lighter in the console. As a matter of interest, the bracket I attached to the towbar for the trailer camera plug and the Anderson plug for trailer power, I glued on with 3m Scotchweld. Supposedly as good as a weld, but we'll see. In my state, drilling into or welding onto a towbar is illegal, so I thought I'd give this a shot!
I have an ARB bulbar, so mounting the front camera in the grill as most do, would not have given the full angle of view, so it is installed in the centre of the number plate, which is mounted on the front of the bull bar. I have the type of number plate which is black on white, three characters, a black dot in the centre, and three more characters. The camera now appears as a slightly larger black dot. Very neat.
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I'm curious as to which scotchweld you used.
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I'm curious as to which scotchweld you used.
It is black DP420. As far as I can tell, it's the strongest one.

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Thanks, Russell.
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My early views on the front cam:
I would like to be able to disable it temporarily. The only option I know of is to uninstall the feature using the Lockpick software. This also seems to require a factory reset, and this is a pain, as you lose all the radio, phone, and random other settings.
I installed the front cam for off-road use, and it is good for that - I can see the ground maybe 1.5m in front of the wheels, vs about 5m out the windscreen.
Otherwise, I don't see a lot of use for it around town, and I have discovered two (minor) annoyances with it:
1. When driving in heavy city traffic, and trying to use the navigator to see where to turn next, the front cam turns on every time you slow below about 20 kph. If I'm trying to watch the map to see what lane I need to be in, for example, I have to keep touching the screen to bring the map up - and do this repeatedly. If I had the choice, I would disable the front cam in this situation.
2. When I shift from Park to Reverse, the Jeep reversing camera comes on almost instantly. But when going from drive to reverse, there is a delay of 4-5 seconds before the reverse view appears. This did not happen before the front cam feature was installed. Not a big deal, but annoying when, say, moving from drive to reverse when reverse parking. Again, if I had the option I would temporarily disable it.
I installed my front cam for the same reason, off roading, and I agree with you 100% on the annoyances. I would love the ability to turn the front cam feature on/off with a check box somewhere in the factory menus with all the factory features.
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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

Sounds like maybe some confusion. Forgive me if I'm just repeating what you already know.

You can toggle the front cam features (or any features) on and off by installing or uninstalling the feature without any need for factory reset. I do it all the time. You only need to factory reset for a "rollback"

There are two different front cam features to install- the wording isn't great if you aren't aware and paying attention it will throw you- i still mess it up sometimes. The first one just enables the cam for when you initially switch to drive and shuts it off automatically at (I think something like) 15 mph. It will not come back on until you shift into drive again.

The second feature you install is what turns the camera on automatically if you slow down to (I think something like) under 15mph.

You can have the first feature without the second. That's my preference- too busy with the front cam popping on all the time at every light or when i slow down. But i love that they included different options to pick from.

Again you can add remove the features without a factory reset so it's only a couple minutes- I just keep the usb drive in the bin and install/uninstall different stuff when the mood strikes.

If you have only the first front cam feature turned on so that it just comes on at initial shift into drive but still want to be able to get to the front cam at times when you slow down you can also install the "cargo cam" - that will add a button to the tab with the heated seats and the mirror auto dim and that like (I think it's "controls?") that says "cargo cam". You can tap the cargo cam button at any time and it will pull up the 3rd input (if you have nothing connected there it will just be a blue screen)- but once you have the 3rd input up you can just tap the back button to cycle through the other inputs. So tap and you'll get the reverse cam, front cam, or cargo cam inputs. (you can also tap between inputs at any time even without cargo cam installed- so if the front cam is up but you want rear just tap back or vice versa- sometimes nice for parking) Some folks seem to use the 3rd input "cargo cam" for trailer cams but still keep the front and rear cams on for everyday use- if you put it in reverse and are staring at the trailer than just hit the back button to get to the trailers reverse cam.
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Re: new lockpick for the 8,4 uconnect, 99% software

That's exactly what I have ^^^. I too was like "what?" When I read the two posts above. There are 2 when installing the RAX. I originally installed both but afterwards day of driving I got fed up of that blue screen since I don't have the cam installed yet. The next day I removed that 2nd one so now I only have the option for the cam when switching from park to drive/reverse to drive. Still get the blue screen lol since I'm still pending install. Will need to look for an auto electrician to assist. I think the firewall pass through is my issue.
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