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New tweeters in factory sail panel. Audiofrog

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Thanks for the quick reply Bradknob. I am ordering the GB60 and GB10s tonight. I'll let you know how the GB60s go in. Maybe I'll do the GB25s down the road. I am so jealous of your A-pillars! You have mad fabrication skills. I don't... I thought about just dropping one GB25 in the center channel location. I thought if I use the Helix and set that up as a center channel it my sound good. Let me know what you think if you have a chance...

I'm still getting through your other post on diymb... Thanks so much for sharing this valuable info! Really helps others...

FYI - I already put two 12" FiQ subs in the spare tire well with a Rockford 3000T. It slams... I'll try to provide a photo once the false floor is finished...


Thanks dude, been doing this a while as a hobby. I think I'm starting to get the hang of it. These pillars actually came out better than I imagined they would. I think my next step will be some 8" possibly 10"s in the doors. I'm spoiled by my last 2 rides where I had 8" Midbass.

As far as the GB25 as a center, I would toss that idea. You would need a DSP with special processing, which the helix does not have. The only 2 that do, that I know of is the JBL ms-8 and alpine h800. Plus, with proper time alignment, it should sound like you have a center speaker. People who don't know any better, do not believe that I don't have a center speaker playing. Most of the music comes from dead center of the dash.

I've heard an FI 18" before and was surprised how good it sounded. I bet ur 2 12"s sound amazing. I'd like to see those pics when ur done.

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Re: New tweeters in factory sail panel. Audiofrog

Greetings,

The other DSP choice you have is from ARC Audio:

PS8*| Arc Audio

If you go into the advance setting, they give you the option of mixing a center channel. You get setup the ratio between the left and right front channels to create the center. Keep in mind that this DSP does not have any steering logic built into the unit. You must read the directions carefully and I believe with the advance setting their no support from in terms of sound engineering.

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Greetings,



The other DSP choice you have is from ARC Audio:



PS8*| Arc Audio



If you go into the advance setting, they give you the option of mixing a center channel. You get setup the ratio between the left and right front channels to create the center. Keep in mind that this DSP does not have any steering logic built into the unit. You must read the directions carefully and I believe with the advance setting their no support from in terms of sound engineering.



Best for now.


Good call. Thanks for the input.

I saw a thread about the new ps8 controller, which has been "about to be released" for a couple years now. The amount of control it shows to have compared to the helix, could put it up there with the best DSPs out there.
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Re: New tweeters in factory sail panel. Audiofrog

Thanks for all the advice guys. Has anyone reading this ever run a center channel on a DSP that supports it? Is it really better than having a 2-way front stage properly tuned with a DSP? Since I have the factory location for a center channel is it worth using?

I was about to pull the trigger on a 3 sixty.3 that was slightly used for around $300. That entry level price seems like a no brainer considering the investment point where I am now with my setup (I just ordered the Audio Frog GB10s and GB60s along with the GS62s for rear fill). Now I'm reconsidering... Thinking about the JBL MS-8 and adding a single GB25 in the center channel slot....

What are your thoughts?

One other concern I have is that I will only have 8 channels with either processor. I am counting up the channels and that means if I run full active with 2-way in the front, coaxials in the rear and my subs with two channels it will be maxed out. Can I just run my subs with one channel? I have a two channel RCA going from the HU to the sub amp. Sorry about the newb question but the sub taking up two channels got me wondering....
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Has anyone reading this ever run a center channel on a DSP that supports it? Is it really better than having a 2-way front stage properly tuned with a DSP? Since I have the factory location for a center channel is it worth using?

I was about to pull the trigger on a 3 sixty.3 that was slightly used for around $300. That entry level price seems like a no brainer considering the investment point where I am now with my setup (I just ordered the Audio Frog GB10s and GB60s along with the GS62s for rear fill). Now I'm reconsidering... Thinking about the JBL MS-8 and adding a single GB25 in the center channel slot....

What are your thoughts?

One other concern I have is that I will only have 8 channels with either processor. I am counting up the channels and that means if I run full active with 2-way in the front, coaxials in the rear and my subs with two channels it will be maxed out. Can I just run my subs with one channel? I have a two channel RCA going from the HU to the sub amp. Sorry about the newb question but the sub taking up two channels got me wondering....


I have never ran a center channel besides the oem one in the jeep, so I can't really comment on it being better or not. I think it would help get some of the lower frequencies up higher if running jut a 2 way. If I had to choose, I'd run a center before I ran rear fill. I haven't run rear fill in a few years and don't miss it at all.

But on another note, I ran an ms-8 before and hated it. I could never get it to sound good enough (to me). I always found myself wanting to tweak the auto tune but not having the ability to do so.

You only need one dsp channel for the sub.
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Re: New tweeters in factory sail panel. Audiofrog

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Thanks for all the advice guys. Has anyone reading this ever run a center channel on a DSP that supports it? Is it really better than having a 2-way front stage properly tuned with a DSP? Since I have the factory location for a center channel is it worth using?

I was about to pull the trigger on a 3 sixty.3 that was slightly used for around $300. That entry level price seems like a no brainer considering the investment point where I am now with my setup (I just ordered the Audio Frog GB10s and GB60s along with the GS62s for rear fill). Now I'm reconsidering... Thinking about the JBL MS-8 and adding a single GB25 in the center channel slot....

What are your thoughts?

One other concern I have is that I will only have 8 channels with either processor. I am counting up the channels and that means if I run full active with 2-way in the front, coaxials in the rear and my subs with two channels it will be maxed out. Can I just run my subs with one channel? I have a two channel RCA going from the HU to the sub amp. Sorry about the newb question but the sub taking up two channels got me wondering....

Greetings,

Regarding running the sub's on one channel of the DSP is no problem. It is going to be a mono signal only. Depending on the amp you are running, will determine how you drive 2 subs. Either way, it is not a problem.

Now if you want to run the subs on 2 separate channels, then you are maxed out with no center. Or, run the fronts with a passive crossover in order to get the center channel in. A stereo sub signal can be advantageous or not. When you really tune in with phase correction and time delay, you get interesting responses. Or it can be not worth it if you can tune it correctly.

Is the Center channel worth it? IMHO, when the front stage (which I have been posting here for years) is properly balanced, you get a beautiful wall of sound. If you have not read my build (link in signature below) you should. The factory system I give credit to the placement of speakers and the wiring used, otherwise, it is for the garbage can. The system can not be tuned to your personal liking. To do that is either if you can still get an JBL MS-8 or the Alpine system H800. Pro's and con's for both units.
  • MS-8 pros:
  • Logic 7 give you a 7.1 surround sound steering logic
  • Automatic processing
  • Limited tuning.

Ms-8 cons:
  • No ability to fine tune
  • center channel range cannot be tuned in terms of width. It might sound if it overlaps to the L/R channels.
  • Built in amp is way underpowered.
  • No fine tuning

Alpine Pros:
  • Adjustable Center Channel range
  • 5.1 Steering Logic
  • Above average fine tuning with the DSP

Alpine Cons:
  • Must use the controller which is an extra $300.00
  • Output Routing limited

If you have never heard a surround sound setup in mobile audio, you should go to an hi-end shop and try to get a listen a properly installed one. The JGC HK is close to that. It is not the same effect as a home theater setup because the music is done with a different speaker steering logic than the movies. I always suggested to listen first to decide if you want it or the traditional system of front/rear/sub. Surround sound done correctly is not cheap.

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