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Old 12-16-2014, 09:57 PM
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Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

Hey guys !

I'm planning to do an upgrade on my overland's sound system.
To cut the story short after discussing with the installer ( audioexperts in dover) we narrow it down to :

For summing: CL-SSI
To normalize : CL441dsp (cleansweep)
Front door : JL ZR650
Rear door : C3-650
Amp : JL HD900/5
Sub : the obvious... JL Stealthbox

The guy at the shop told me the center speaker should be disabled because there's nothing really on that size that could match the rest of the system and it would sound bad/weird.
And when I told him that I don't care at all about the back seat passengers we decided to also drop the D pillars.

My only concern is that I won't really have an EQ to play with . The cleansweep will give the amp a nice quality FLAT signal. On the other hand having to configure manually a 3sixty3 would give me nightmares.

Is there something out there that can be placed between the cleansweep and the amp? Purely for EQ , preferably that could also remember some simple presets let's say for rock electronic classic etc and maybe accessible from a smartphone app
I love the cleansweep for its ability to flatten the signal automatically and I would like to keep it.
I don't really need or want 10000 EQ band but at the same time the bass treble and med from my radio won't do
Any ideas regarding this or the entire plan?


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Re: Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

Greetings,

In order to have a proper 7.1 surround sound system you will have to spend money to do so. When done correctly, the soundstage is unbelievable and yes there is information in the center channel speaker and the rear pillars. I know, I have done it, just click on my link in the signature page for the complete story.

Now, that being said, in terms of your system build, the first question you have to ask yourself is do I want a traditional front/rear/sub system or a surround system? The second question is what level of sound quality do I want to take this to; above average or audiophile?

With a surround system do not think of it in terms of a home theater system because music is handled differently. For this, a proper DSP that can handle matrix is required to steer the right information to the respective speaker channel. As of now you have the Alpine PXA-H800 for a 5.1 setup and the JBL MS-8 for the 7.1 setup.

Configurations can vary at this stage and it has to planned out correctly. Most shops do not want to bother with this because it requires a lot of trouble shooting if something goes wrong. And most of the time is configuring the DSP settings which believe or not is easy. Equalizing is time consuming. A good shop has somebody that specializes in this or they farm it out.

I like the fact the shop is going to use the JL Audio Cleansweep system. I always tell folks, especially with the 8.4 uConnect that the Cleansweep act as a washing machine to produce a flat clean stereo signal. This is important if you are running a proper surround system or a traditional system. In the surround, the signal coming out of the JL audio goes into one of the DSP mention above. Some here including myself have another DSP devoted to the crossovers, time delays and eq sections. Yes, some here are running 3 DSP to correct the 2014+ nightmare.

Now that you got the full story on the nightmare on running a 7.1 system, here is what you need to keep everything simple in your setup if you are choosing the traditional system. The Audiocontrol Three.2:

AudioControl THREE.2 In-dash equalizer with crossover and line driver at Crutchfield.com

Right out of the Cleansweep into the AudioControl and out to the amps. That simple.

Best for now.
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Re: Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

^ what he said, but if I were to only run 1 DSP, it wouldn't be the Cleansweep.
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Re: Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

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In order to have a proper 7.1 surround sound system you will have to spend money to do so. When done correctly, the soundstage is unbelievable and yes there is information in the center channel speaker and the rear pillars. I know, I have done it, just click on my link in the signature page for the complete story.



Now, that being said, in terms of your system build, the first question you have to ask yourself is do I want a traditional front/rear/sub system or a surround system? The second question is what level of sound quality do I want to take this to; above average or audiophile?



With a surround system do not think of it in terms of a home theater system because music is handled differently. For this, a proper DSP that can handle matrix is required to steer the right information to the respective speaker channel. As of now you have the Alpine PXA-H800 for a 5.1 setup and the JBL MS-8 for the 7.1 setup.



Configurations can vary at this stage and it has to planned out correctly. Most shops do not want to bother with this because it requires a lot of trouble shooting if something goes wrong. And most of the time is configuring the DSP settings which believe or not is easy. Equalizing is time consuming. A good shop has somebody that specializes in this or they farm it out.



I like the fact the shop is going to use the JL Audio Cleansweep system. I always tell folks, especially with the 8.4 uConnect that the Cleansweep act as a washing machine to produce a flat clean stereo signal. This is important if you are running a proper surround system or a traditional system. In the surround, the signal coming out of the JL audio goes into one of the DSP mention above. Some here including myself have another DSP devoted to the crossovers, time delays and eq sections. Yes, some here are running 3 DSP to correct the 2014+ nightmare.



Now that you got the full story on the nightmare on running a 7.1 system, here is what you need to keep everything simple in your setup if you are choosing the traditional system. The Audiocontrol Three.2:



AudioControl THREE.2 In-dash equalizer with crossover and line driver at Crutchfield.com



Right out of the Cleansweep into the AudioControl and out to the amps. That simple.



Best for now.

Thanks for the reply 1stJeepGC !

I think that for my taste/needs/budget building a 7.1 would be kinda overkill.
I'm already spending 4k+ so I'm hoping to get a nice result with the equipment I listed, for a front/rear/sub system that is .
If I were to expand to 7.1 that would prob add another 2k between the speakers extra amp/amps and dsp.
My wife would kill me...in a gruesome way... You'll see the story on cnn..

The shop tech I talked to kinda steered me away from the h800 or 3sixty3 because he simply said they don't have too much exp configuring those. I would be totally clueless that's for sure so that was the main reason we kinda agreed on the cleansweep .
There are no other shops that I know of around the portsmouth (nh) area to get another quote/config.
So that's why I was looking for an EQ or a simple dsp that I would be able to config myself .
The three.2 looks nice but I don't think I have a place for it in my overland . I already have my escortlive and a phone holder/charger in the area where the usbs and sd slot is ...
I'm sure the system with just the cleansweep will sound way better than the crappy alpine but at the same time I feel an EQ/dsp would add some extra quality.





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Re: Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

Greetings,

No Problem.

I think the Cleansweep is an important piece in your system. It truly gives a complete full range flat signal. You can always put the Eq next to the Amp. Once you find your liking to the sound then you do not have to play with it much.

Just remember, it takes several hours of speakers to break in. Give a quick eq session and wait after 15 to 20 hours and then play with it.

I figured that the traditional system would be fine for you if you. And the best way to enjoy your GC is not have your wife kill you. Maybe latter with some bribes (do not buy cutlery or heavy fry pans ) you can reengage the factory DSP to handle it as 5.1. There are ways.

Enjoy the GC and the forth coming holidays.

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Re: Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

Thanks again for your reply !
Did you buy 4 l3se's? Or did you find some place where you could buy only 3?
second question : why did you go with the l6v2 for the back doors instead of another pair of l6se's? ( noob here so don't take any offence )
And last : do you know what's the diff between the l6se carbon and l6se? Visually just the cone seems to be different , they are at the same price.
Which one did you got?


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Thanks again for your reply !
Did you buy 4 l3se's? Or did you find some place where you could buy only 3?
second question : why did you go with the l6v2 for the back doors instead of another pair of l6se's? ( noob here so don't take any offence )
And last : do you know what's the diff between the l6se carbon and l6se? Visually just the cone seems to be different , they are at the same price.
Which one did you got?


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Greetings,

Initially, I brought one pair of the L3SE for the center and two pairs of the L3v2 for the rears. I was very impressed with the L3SE, so my installer was able to get me a another single. Thus the rear pillar has the L3SE now. He has the other pair.

The rear door I did not want to go with a heavy mid bass punch this time around. With a SQ surround system, you really do not want too much punch back there. The other factor is that I running only one sub and I want to force the lowers close to front using time delay techniques. Right now the front stage has an incredible amount of punch. If the internal cubic volume of the GC was greater, like a Tahoe or Lexus G470, I would mostly step up size for the rear door.

For the front door I went with the L6SE which has a frequency range and more of a point source displacement. It was important in my setup to have the frequency overlap between the center and tweeter as you saw in my crossover points. This is what is known as a 2.5 front as opposed to the a 3 way front. If I went with a 2 way, I might think of going after carbon. The setup of have gives me the best possible sound for the range of music genres I listen too.

I nice setup for the front if I did want to Mod the dash out would be the L6 Carbon with the L4SE and the tweeter for a smooth 3 way front. This would require a custom pod to hold the 4 and the tweeter. Thus the extra expense in the install and additional amps & dsp's.

Another setup you could go for is the have the L6 Carbon in the front door with a lower xover setting for the tweeter and have the L6SE or L6v2 in the rear door opened up to about 8K with a 12db slope. The rear pillar have the L3SE in for the highs as the point source. I would definitely go with dual subs.

As you can see the key to all this is the proper DSP's and amps. You can get carried away and easily spend way over 10K more than I did. For me it was worth it since I am on the highway on some long drives. No more ear bleed from the Alpine system.

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Re: Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

I started out simple and just had all the speakers replaced. Cost me about $850 and made a huge difference. I figured I would start out that way first and if I needed any more after that I would do it, but the speakers alone was good enough for me.
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They put in Infinity speakers all the way around except for the sub which I left alone.
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$850 for Infinitys?!
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Re: Planning an upgrade on my 14 overland

Finnaly I took the car out of the audio store!

The tech working was very helpful but the whole place was understaffed so I'm afraid he kinda hurried everything. He was running between wiring the car in the shop and the sales building and answering the phone etc.

So... I got a pair of
-JL zr's650 component for the front with their passive crossovers ( I know 1stjeepGC won't like this at all -by the way thanks a lot for all the ideas and advice )
-JL C3's in the back doors
-JL stealth box
-JL HD900/5
-JBL MS-8

Everything sounds "great" the only problem is that it seems it lacks volume. I get at 3 quarters from the car's radio what I was getting before at a quarter (volume wise) with MS8 is at -20db
If I put the ms8 on 0db it seems everything is normal volume wise but obviously not a good idea..
Regarding the install they insisted to keep the old amp for some reason. They assured me they talked to JBL and that's better this way.
I kept for now the center and d pillars ( those are amped by the ms8, tech said it should be enough) planning on getting some l3se's and with those another amp)
He said polk wouldn't match at all the rest of the speaker so better keep the old ones till I can fork 2k more.
He mentioned he was getting a lot of failed calibrations through the ms8 where sound was clipping or just sounds horrible. He said the current calibration sounded the best and that I should keep it. Sounded to me like it was pure luck and to be honest I think it shouldn't...if you do the calibration right you should get consistent result which he didn't.
Like I said before it definitely sounds much better, nicer bass, crisp highs but still...smth seems fishy.
Any ideas what should I try to do or how should I try to troubleshoot?
I'm sure I'm not crazy :P smth is
screwed up somewhere
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