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Old 06-03-2012, 04:02 PM
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Replacing front speakers

I replaced the 130 radio a few months back with a Pioneer double-din unit. Now on to the speakers!

So, according to wk2jeeps.com, the front door speakers are 6"x9" and the tweeters are 1". Crutchfield.com shows that certain 6x9 speakers fit while other 6x9's don't. Not really sure why.

Can anyone provide some clarity why some aftermarket 6x9 fit and other 6x9 don't? I wouldn't want to buy 6x9 speakers, rip the doors open only to find out they don't fit

Any advice welcome! Thanks!
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:44 PM
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Re: Replacing front speakers

I had my local stereo shop take out my 6x9 and replace them with a standard 6" speakers. They told me they would sound better and they were right (in my opinion). They made a simple bracket and they fit perfectly. Have Alpines in the front and JBL's in the back.
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Re: Replacing front speakers

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First for LETSGOMETS: Yep, lets go mets and hope the magic of 1969 is back.

With regards to the front speakers, you can get 6x9 component speakers that is a major upgrade over the stock/the Alpine premium system and the standard aftermarket 6x9 coaxial' s. One example is from Massive Audio:

http://www.massiveaudio.com/store/pr...cat=254&page=1

IMO, I prefer using a 6" speaker for the mid-bass/midrange in order to get that punch and sound quality. The tweeter for me, I prefer using a silk material for the warm and smooth sound they produce. There are tons of 6" inch component speakers out there. It boils down to how they sound to you. Focal and JBL for example, use tweeters that are aluminum or inverted aluminum which give that metal or tinny sound.

For my upgrade, right now I am leaning to Morel Hifi speakers. I am not sure if I am going for a 2 or 3 way speaker for the fronts or will I be using a passive or active crossover. If do use the component's passive crossover, than I will bi-amp since Morel's crossover is set up for that in the speaker series I want.

Keep in mind with Alpine premium system, that factory amp has the crossover setting is set internally, therefore, if you are keeping the factory amp, you have to sum the front channels before you go into your new aftermarket amp. (if you are changing everything then you have to sum all channels for the front, rear and sub.) These way the component's crossover network will take over the settings between the mid-bass and the tweeter, the key to a passive system. I am not sure if the stock system is the same way to sum the channels.

In any event, the front speakers are the key in the overall sound stage and for the upgrade it worth to put some money into it. You can spend any where from $350.00 to as much as $7,000.00 (Rainbow Speakers Ref series) or better. If are going with a passive crossover, it also pays to get a better one. The example of the Massive Audio from above uses an excellent crossover.


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Old 06-04-2012, 06:47 PM
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Re: Replacing front speakers

Thanks for the advice all. I have the stock non-amp 6-speaker setup.

I picked up a pair of 6x9 Alpine 3-way coaxial speakers for the front and a pair of 6.5" Alpine 2-way coaxial speakers for the rear. They are both highly rated on Crutchfield.com.

Not sure what to do with the stock tweakers. I'll more than likely disconnect them as I won't really need them with the 3-way Alpine front speakers.
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Re: Replacing front speakers

Rage – In answer to your question as to why some 6x9 speakers fit and others don’t, I believe it has to do with the mounting holes. A million years ago, a 6x9 speaker was literally 6” x 9”. Nowadays they are usually a bit smaller to fit different applications. For instance, I have seen speakers advertised as “6-6.5 inches”. Well….which one is it? 6 inches or 6.5 inches? In actuality it is appx 6” with mounting holes for both a 6” and 6.5”.

Good luck with the install.

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Re: Replacing front speakers

Chrysler has used 6x9s up front for a long time, and for about the same amount of time they've had fitment issues with them.

The reason is most 6x9s aren't used in doors, let alone front doors, they're usually hung off the rear deck of a sedan or coupe. Thus, they tend to be very deep, and hang down significantly, which is fine because there's typically nothing underneath the rear deck in the way.

Unfortunately, in a door you've got windows and such. And so a lot of those very deep aftermarket 6x9s won't fit due to depth issues. And it's not as simple as maximum depth, previous generations of Rams had issues where the center of the speaker had plenty of room, but the oval side of the speakers had depth issues from the window motor, and so the basket of the speaker had to be very shallow to fit.

Going from a 6x9 to a 6.5 can help with this issue, but you'll lose some bass from a 6.5 by virtue of cone area. However, the equidistance of a circular speaker tends to lend itself to less distortion in higher frequencies, which some people can maybe notice unless they're put in a double blind test.
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Going from a 6x9 to a 6.5 can help with this issue, but you'll lose some bass from a 6.5 by virtue of cone area. However, the equidistance of a circular speaker tends to lend itself to less distortion in higher frequencies, which some people can maybe notice unless they're put in a double blind test.
Greetings,

You are correct that going from a 6x9 to a 6.5 is correct that you loose some bass. The better 6.5 makes up for some of the difference. The two key elements to have a better bass is the bass subwoofer with it's enclosure and the crossover point between the bass subwoofer and the mid-bass.

As lot of us have been pointing out for long time in this forum, those of us that have the Alpine premium system, the bass is lacking. Which is why many have replaced the factory 8" subwoofer with the JL Audio Stealthbox or other solution. And those that did come with a subwoofer, you have the an advantage to install a better system in the JGC.

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Re: Replacing front speakers

What do you guys recommend I do with the stock tweeters? I don't believe I will need them with the 3-way Alpine speakers I'm going to install.

Here are the speakers in question. Think they will fit?
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What do you guys recommend I do with the stock tweeters? I don't believe I will need them with the 3-way Alpine speakers I'm going to install.

Here are the speakers in question. Think they will fit?

Greetings,

Two options:

1 - Just disconnect the stock front tweeter speakers and let the new Alpine do the work. This way you do not have to anything to them and preserve the warranty.

2 - From the new Alpine 6x9 disconnect the tweeter section and re-wire that part to the stock speakers. I believe the double din radio you just got has a time alinement feature that you can use to set speaker distance. If you still do not like the stock tweeter, you still get other aftermarket tweeter speakers.

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Re: Replacing front speakers

If I just replace the front speakers and rear speakers will I see an improvement in sound quality? I have the 430 n alpine premium system and it sucks. Too muddy. Mid levels r distorted. Sounds like shit turned way up. Looking to get a clearer deeper tighter sound.

I'm not looking to spend a ton of money and I don't want to mess with putting in a new sub and amp. Too much money and work. Just would like a simply easy solution. Like putting 6.5's focals in front and rear? Would it be worth it?
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Re: Replacing front speakers

Well, since I'm swapping out the speakers, I figured I might as well get an amp!

Where would be the best spot for it? I'm thinking under the driver's seat.

How would I route the wires? How would I hide the wires as well?

This project of mine is getting bigger by the day! lol
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If I just replace the front speakers and rear speakers will I see an improvement in sound quality? I have the 430 n alpine premium system and it sucks. Too muddy. Mid levels r distorted. Sounds like shit turned way up. Looking to get a clearer deeper tighter sound.

I'm not looking to spend a ton of money and I don't want to mess with putting in a new sub and amp. Too much money and work. Just would like a simply easy solution. Like putting 6.5's focals in front and rear? Would it be worth it?
Greetings,

Component speakers such as Focal are tuned to the passive crossover that comes with set. The Alpine system that we have does not have a passive crossover rather an active crossover that is built-in to the factory amp. Therefore, those points are already set, which I do not know the settings. BTW, active crossover systems give you the ability to set points in order to fine tune the sound.

The problem that I see, is with some some speakers the existing settings with in the factory amp might not make any improvements at all. Thus, you might be wasting money. It might be better to sink so more money and get a inexpensive 2-channel amp with some sort of OEM integration to sum the all front speaker channels in order to start with fresh and clear sound. And with any speaker, try to listen first before you buy them.

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