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Ripping CD for 430N

I need to rip several dozens audio CDs to be copied on the hard drive of 430N. These CDs will not be in Gracenote database, so album/track information will need to be entered manually. I've ripped CD to MP3 a couple times several years ago but didn't care about quality at the time and don't remember what software I've used.

I am now looking for workflow recommendations.

From what I understand if I rip using 430N it will save it to HD in AAC format. I am not sure if it will be AAC - can't find it in PDF user's guide anymore. Also I think bit rate will be 128Kbps (again, can't find it to confirm). However, I don't like the idea ripping using 430N because I would have no control on bitrate and would have to edit song/track info in the car which is inconvenient.

Another approach is using software on PC (I have XP and Vista available).

1) What compressed format should I use for the best sound quality (MP3/WAV/AAC)? This will only be played in the car, so I won't use uncompressed WAV. User Guides seem to concentrate on MP3 so I will proceed with this assumption

2) Owner Manual on page 306 says "MPEG-1 Audio
Layer 3" and "MPEG-2 Audio Layer 3" are supported - which one should I use? Manual says "The majority of MP3 files use a 44.1 kHz sampling rate" so this seems "MPEG-1 Audio
Layer 3" should be used.

3) What rate should I use for MP3? VBR or constant?

4) What free software is available that will allow ripping and editing of ID3 version 1 tag? I found this comparison:

http://www.zabkat.com/blog/25Jan09-c...ng-contest.htm

and it recommends Express RIP (http://www.nch.com.au/rip/index.html) and 256KBps constant rate

Note that I am not inclined to spend long time on this and/or mess with command line utilities. Looking for fast and easy to use 3 step approach: insert disc - edit track names - press RIP button.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:20 PM
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Re: Ripping CD for 430N

I have a combination of two file types on my 430N hard drive:

128kbps MP3
256kbps AAC

I use iTunes to manage my music library. I'm sure there are tons of alternatives, but for me, it's just simple and easy to manage. Years ago I imported all of my CDs directly into iTunes. For any that weren't in Gracenote, I just edited the metadata right in the interface. To get the tracks onto the 430N, I just highlighted the tracks I wanted, right click, select copy, then pasted them onto a USB flash drive. Plugged the USB flash drive into the USB port on the faceplate, and imported them.

Haven't answered all of your questions, but since there haven't been other responses yet, thought I'd chime in to let you know how I did it.
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I'd just use Windows Media Player or iTunes to rip to 320k MP3 format. Enter ID3 tags manually if need be, then arrange them for a USB stick and transfer them to the HD that way.
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Re: Ripping CD for 430N

I was told that you could not play AAC files ripped threw i-tunes. If it will play those files that's going to save me a bunch of time of converting all my cd's to MP3's. Can someone confirm that AAC files ripped from i-tunes and load usb works.

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Re: Ripping CD for 430N

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I was told that you could not play AAC files ripped threw i-tunes. If it will play those files that's going to save me a bunch of time of converting all my cd's to MP3's. Can someone confirm that AAC files ripped from i-tunes and load usb works.

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AAC files work just fine. The majority of the songs on my 430N hard drive are AAC files from my iTunes library. You don't have to convert your CDs to MP3 files.

There's only one exception... if you have any iTunes PURCHASED AACs with DRM (Digital Rights Management), those will not play. Apple eliminated DRM from the iTunes Store in January 2009.
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AAC files work just fine. The majority of the songs on my 430N hard drive are AAC files from my iTunes library. You don't have to convert your CDs to MP3 files.

There's only one exception... if you have any iTunes PURCHASED AACs with DRM (Digital Rights Management), those will not play. Apple eliminated DRM from the iTunes Store in January 2009.
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Re: Ripping CD for 430N

...interesting, I still cannot get gracenote to recognize any of the album artworks I imported from the CD I created via itunes. The funny thing is that on itunes, all those songs have artwork associated to them... I must've done something wrong... Other than this issue, I have not encountered major difficulties...
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...interesting, I still cannot get gracenote to recognize any of the album artworks I imported from the CD I created via itunes. The funny thing is that on itunes, all those songs have artwork associated to them... I must've done something wrong... Other than this issue, I have not encountered major difficulties...
On 430N I don't think there is an artwork in Gracenote database at all and this is understandable - all database had to fit on the hard drive and still leave enough space for songs to be stored.
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On 430N I don't think there is an artwork in Gracenote database at all and this is understandable - all database had to fit on the hard drive and still leave enough space for songs to be stored.
According to www.wk2jeeps.com album artwork is supposed to be a working feature on the 430N.
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Re: Ripping CD for 430N

Great thread JS, thanks all for replies and ideas. Ripping directly from CD to head unit HDD works well and sounds reasonably good, but file management is weak.
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Great thread JS, thanks all for replies and ideas. Ripping directly from CD to head unit HDD works well and sounds reasonably good, but file management is weak.
Agreed. I also find it annoying that you can't use the same voice commands with HDD music that you can with USB-connected devices. That would eliminate the file management issues.

I just loaded everything into a single playlist and keep it on random (shuffle). If anyone wants to hear something specific, I leave it to the passenger to find it. It's too much work for the driver.
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I ended up using Express Rip: http://www.nch.com.au/rip/index.html

I convert to MP3 using constant 320 kbps rate (max rate for MP3). This uses 2.4 MB per minute of the song - about 25% of uncompressed auidio. This translates to ~160 audio CDs that can fit on 430N hard drive, which is more that enough for me.
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