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Old 08-14-2012, 12:06 AM
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Arrests would never be made without pretext stops. 90% of my stops are for other reasons than the actual vehicle code violation.


Here we can stop any car for a random breath test and go from there.

Speeding is also a good reason to stop someone. In that case I usually favour a caution, but the attitude test certainly applies.

Have gotten many unlicensed/unregistered/uninsured/unroadworthy/warrants, etc from simple traffic stops. There is a place for it.

As for the "I didn't see the sign" excuse, I've heard it a million times and I'll hear it a million more. Maybe you're telling the truth, but when everyone else cries wolf it ruins it for those who truly mean it.

And the "It just crept up, I didn't realise" excuse may stand for a few clicks over, but too much and it's just pure inattention or disregard for the law. Unless you have some medical condition which causes your foot to spasm uncontrollably, maintaining a speed is not difficult.


As far as I'm concerned, possession of a radar detector displays a clear intention to break the law, and you will be treated accordingly.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:09 AM
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The law generally disfavors pretext stops. Traffic laws should not be a means to revenue or gateway to other stops. Harsh as I wish to be on drunks, I cannot sanction stopping people on mere suspicion. Your department may make little, but states and towns make an enormous sum.

Policing is, or should be, too dignified to allow trained officers to hide in the bushes. If safety is truly the goal, the higher levels of driver training and more active patrolling to stop the tailgaters & weavers would be the norm. Hiding in the bushes is great for money, yet does little else. No disrespect intended as I firmly believe law enforcement should be above such nonsense. Were speed limits set by engineers and a reasonable man standard as opposed to arbitrary, capricious and often the terminally doddering we'd see far, far fewer people "speed".

So what you are saying that I or anyone else should be able to get drunk, then just speed all the way home because if I get stop, I won't get popped for drunk driving? RIDICULOUS. Signs of a drunk or impaired driver; Speed- driving too slow or too fast, can't keep at one speed, failure to turn on their lights, failure to dim their brights, failure to yield to the right of way. Most of what I listed alone is an illegal action in any motor code in any state.

Another bomb shell, people don't normally do illegal acts when the police is around, thus police have to "hide behind bushes". Drivers training can not curb bad driving behavior. Countless of times people have admitted to me that what they did was wrong, its not like most people that get stopped is completely unaware of whatever their illegal act was doing prior of being stopped. Hell, sometimes they tell me things that they have done that I didn't even know that they did.

Here is one more bomb shell, on a typical traffic stop, I have personally seen everything from someone that had a felony warrant for attempted murder, to someone unlawfully carrying a loaded handgun to someone transporting drugs. Yes, traffic enforcement, is a necessary need for policing, just like general patrol.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:41 AM
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For those who like to listen to constant false alarms, and who are into antique electronic gadgets, go with the V1 or the original FuzzBuster.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:45 AM
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Or you could save yourself some money on both the radar detector and fines by just not speeding and putting yours and everyone else's lives at risk...
I fail to see how doing say 60-70 in a 55 on a wide open 4-lane highway with light traffic is putting my life or anyone else's at risk...
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:25 AM
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I fail to see how doing say 60-70 in a 55 on a wide open 4-lane highway with light traffic is putting my life or anyone else's at risk...
Average time from a driver perceiving a hazard and the brakes being applied is 2 seconds.
At 60km/hr a vehicle will travel 34 metres in that 2 seconds. Assuming good brakes and tyres, a smooth, dry surface, and a smooth application of brakes, it will take an additional 21 metres to stop. That's a total of 55 metres to from perception to stopping.
At 80km/hr the distance travelled is 82 metres.
At 100km/hr that distance increases to 116 metres.

All of these distances increase further if you add tiredness, inattention, intoxication, poor brakes, poor tread, wet/slippery roads, poor lighting/visibility, etc.

You can convert those to your outdated imperial system if you wish.

The fact is the faster you are going, the further you travel before you can react, and the longer it takes you to stop. This could mean the difference between hitting, or having to dangerously swerve around, a pedestrian, motorcycle, car, animal, debris on the road, etc. at speed, or being able to avoid it or at least slow down enough to minimise damage.

If it were a victimless offence I would have no problem with it (such as a driver not wearing a seatbelt who puts only themself at risk) but too often someone is innocently put in the path of someone travelling too fast who just can't slow down in time.

Obviously what I say will have no impact on what anyone here thinks or does, but if you saw what we emergency services personnel have to see every time we attend a motor vehicle crash then perhaps you'd think twice before adding those extra few MPH.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:30 AM
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Re: Thinking about a Radar Detector...

I fully concede the need for traffic awareness and as I said earlier not a big speeder. I do not drive more than 5 MPH over the speed limit ever. If I feel the need to remove myself from the blind spot of another driver and will have to pass my self imposed speed limit of 5 MPH over the limit I will use the brake pedal instead. I just want a Radar Detector as another means of becoming aware of the road. I have seen many a speeder and some that weren't speeding slam on the brakes when spotting a patrol car and a little advance notice of the potential would be good for me.

By and large I feel the police whether city, county, state, or Federal do a fair job and I am in no way advocating using a RD as a means of circumventing the law. I would just like the added benefit of knowing there may be an unforeseen reason for the actions that others may take.

I take driving very seriously as my wife was involved in an accident years ago and I know the dangers of driving. Oh and BTW, I never drink or do drugs, I never have.
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Average time from a driver perceiving a hazard and the brakes being applied is 2 seconds.
At 60km/hr a vehicle will travel 34 metres in that 2 seconds. Assuming good brakes and tyres, a smooth, dry surface, and a smooth application of brakes, it will take an additional 21 metres to stop. That's a total of 55 metres to from perception to stopping.
At 80km/hr the distance travelled is 82 metres.
At 100km/hr that distance increases to 116 metres.

All of these distances increase further if you add tiredness, inattention, intoxication, poor brakes, poor tread, wet/slippery roads, poor lighting/visibility, etc.

You can convert those to your outdated imperial system if you wish.

The fact is the faster you are going, the further you travel before you can react, and the longer it takes you to stop. This could mean the difference between hitting, or having to dangerously swerve around, a pedestrian, motorcycle, car, animal, debris on the road, etc. at speed, or being able to avoid it or at least slow down enough to minimise damage.

If it were a victimless offence I would have no problem with it (such as a driver not wearing a seatbelt who puts only themself at risk) but too often someone is innocently put in the path of someone travelling too fast who just can't slow down in time.

Obviously what I say will have no impact on what anyone here thinks or does, but if you saw what we emergency services personnel have to see every time we attend a motor vehicle crash then perhaps you'd think twice before adding those extra few MPH.
Get off your soapbox Bro because honestly when it comes to speeding, cellphone use, and well basically all moving violations, Cops(whether on duty without lights on or off duty) are by far the worst offenders.
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Or you could save yourself some money on both the radar detector and fines by just not speeding and putting yours and everyone else's lives at risk. Sure, I'm against hiding in bushes, and we're all about high visibility policing here, but if you're not speeding you have nothing to worry about. Is it really worth it just to get that Big Mac in your guts a minute sooner?

Maybe I'm biased though. Oink.
Define "Speeding".

Is it driving at a speed in excess of what is appropriate for one's vehicle, skill, traffic conditions and/or weather? Or, is it driving faster than the revenue intended creation of a nanny state as I often see? I don't abide true "speeding" , but decry limits set not by engineers and a reasonable man standard, but but revenue hungry governments urged on by a tiny, unskilled & disinterested in driving minority who feel the because they can't drive nobody can. That's like saying I have to diet because you eat too much.


Oh, yeah-- I don't like big macs nor do I pointlessly rush. I believe in the oft forgotten science based 85th percentile.

Again, no insults intended. Just personal experience & observations. We need German style licensing where the unskilled & inept don't get licensed. No more lowest common denominator approach.

Engineers, not bureaucrats, need to set speed limits & police need to focus on real policing, not revenue.
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I guess this is the wrong thread to ask how to remove the WK2's speed governor.... j/k
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Re: Thinking about a Radar Detector...

Passport Escort "Redline"...hands down

No fancy GPS lockout blah blah...thing is a beast!! Has saved me 10X in the last couple months. I like to go 75-80 in a 65, plain and simple...the Redline lets me know ALL activity

I was coming back from Vegas over New Years, and that stretch is very wide open, but it gave a 10+ mile heads-up on a cop posted behind a trailer...crazy the range this thing has. I have had a V1, 8500 and 9500xi and the Redline by far has the best range, which is the most important feature on a detector
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If you have a smart phone, in addition to whatever detector you choose, you can get the app Waze (both Iphone and Android). It alerts you real time on traffic, row hazards and police using real time user input. Best of all, it's free.
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I use the Solo and works very for me. Have save me already over 10 times.
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