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Re: UConnect 8.4 - North America

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From https://rsur.extra.chrysler.com/rsur/Uconnect.do
UCONNECT® 8.4AN_RA4_14.47.1_MY15


Should you encounter any issues with your update, please contact the Uconnect customer care center at 1-877-855-8400, and press # to reach a customer support technical specialist. Canadian residents , call 1–800–465–2001 (English) or 1–800–387–9983 (French). Residents outside the US and Canada please see your dealer.

This update contains the following improvements and or additions:
-Enhanced performance in Navigation, HD radio, AM/FM sound quality, and Voice Recognition
-Enables VIA-Mobile (for customers running software prior to 13.48.3)
That's a nice summary they are doing for the MY15 updates. Haven't seen it on the MY14 updates. Here is the actual change log I referenced from the TSB matching up to your update (14.47.1):

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_0807914c.pdf

** Is supposed to mean its the new stuff addressed but it only partially matches up with past updates, common sense and reality so it should not be taken as gospel, just a piece of info.

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
A small number of customers may experience one or more of the following:
• Low battery condition due to the radio remaining powered up after the ignition has
been turned off (U.S Markets Only).
• **The Radio may switch from SiriusXM to an AM station by itself.
• Uconnect registration always present, can not remove Uconnect account.
• Teleprompter does not appear when pressing the Voice Recognition (VR) button.
• VR operation cancels while in media mode.
• Radio may display previous cameras image before displaying the current image.
• Navigation lost vehicle position, during route calculation.
• Navigation displays are missing after vehicle heading changes.
• Navigation giving incorrect guidance to exit the highway.
• FM audio may switch to AM after ignition cycle.
• Text messages appear as sender’s phone number not their name.
• VR phone button may not work at times.
• Audio muted after AUX device is disconnected.
• VR, “ Listen” to text, will only play 1st message.
• Drive Mode: Eco, sport or normal setting may not be saved after key cycle (LA, LD,
LX and ZD Only).
• Drive Mode: Shift light On/Off, out of sync (LA, LD, LX and ZD Only).
• SirusXM station information does not update.
• Speed adjusted volume, may not work.
• AM or FM seek or tuner soft keys may be missing.
• Display screen show ambient temperature as ”- - “ not normal values.**
Improvements:
• **High Definition (HD) radio buffering.
• Spanish translation.
• Radio station, scroll feature.
• Drive Mode: Launch control button, text improvements (LA, LD, LX and ZD Only).
• Making assist calls.
• App functionality and screen displays.
• Displays correct media, song titles and tracks.
• Travel Link, Points Of Interest (POI), displaying movies and favorites.
• Incoming calls, audio enhancements (LA, LD and LX Only).
• Audio for strong AM stations.
• VR performance.
• Settings can only be changed in run mode, not ACC.
• Notify user when messaging features are not supported on certain phones/devices.
• Shows direction and distance for POI when using VR.**

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Re: UConnect 8.4 - North America

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So u r saying they have intentionally complicated the software update process for service techs, customers and their IT staff even though they could have easily made it so 14's and 15's share the same update file?

Sorry, not sold. Something is different.
no- not saying that at all.

Something can be different in the hardware - BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

look at apple- you can run "iOS 8" on

The iPhone 4S
The iPhone 5
The iPhone 5C
The iPhone 5S
The iPod Touch fifth generation
The iPad 2
The iPad with Retina Display
The iPad Air,
The iPad Mini
The iPad Mini with Retina Display

that's TEN DIFFERENT sets of hardware yet they all run the same OS.

Chrysler now has TWO different sets of hardware (maybe THREE- I think actually maybe there's an earlier version then the '14 JGC/durango/RAM that was on some other vehicles- honestly not been paying attention to those- sorry). There's no reason they can't all run the same "version".

the difference is Apple is a real vendor and Chysler is a dink (relatively)- lol.

I can give you an example of another dink- it's called TiVo. Tivo similar to apple has piles of different hardware. Every now and again TiVo comes out with new hardware. It takes a while to develop for the new hardware- call it 6 months (made up number). But they dont want to give up improving things for those 6 months. So they "FORK" the code. The guys on the original software keep building that version and puts out the regular 1 or 2 updates that would occure in that time frame. But part of the team takes the software as of a certain date and then starts modifying that software for the new hardware. WHen the new hardware comes out it has a different version. Usually a little bit more advanced but not a ton- sometimes even a version behind. THEN they go back in later and merge the code. They take the changes they made to the new hardwares code and move equivalent things to the old hardware and vice versa. Then the next realise they both get the same version (even though the low level bits ARE DIfferent for each version). Then for a time everyone gets the same version until a 3rd type of hardware comes along and the process starts over.

If you do it that way then you can continue to develop for the older hardware for some time with only a little bit more effort (at some point you have to give up on them since they are too slow, too little memory, whatever). If you dont do that you you can either abandon the old hardware or if you want to keep addign to the old software then you need to be more inefficient and duplicate some efforts with a different team.

(I'm not a software engineer or anything- just know from experience with other devices like the tivo and the like- so i may be explaining it a little off)

As I stated- i WONDER what FCA is going to do here. Are they going to merge the code back and go down one path? Will they just bail on the 14's? Or will they keep developing different versions for different hardware all the time.

I dont know- I'm wondering. On the one hand the fact the software is chock full of backgrounds, screens, and features for all sorts of different cars and trucks. It also seems 'smart enough to "poll" the vehicle for what features it has and then adjust the options it provides. So those facts would seem to point to them developing a master version that works on all different vehicles and hardware. On the flip side we now have two versions for the 15 and nothing for the 14's since August (in the US at least) and all the PR for the new features only lists the 15's.

will be interesting to see what happens here.
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Re: UConnect 8.4 - North America

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You should call them and state your case.
you replying to me?


if so- LOL- they dont care what I have to say and I couldn't get through to someone who would even know what I'm talking about so I can ask them what they plan to do.

I'll just patiently wait and see what happens (well i have a 14 so I'll try to be patient- lol). At some point some big new software feature is going to come along- at that point the 14's will get it or not and we'll know exactly what they are going to do. But until that happens I'll still be wondering what is going to happen.
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Re: UConnect 8.4 - North America

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no- not saying that at all.

Something can be different in the hardware - BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

look at apple- you can run "iOS 8" on

The iPhone 4S
The iPhone 5
The iPhone 5C
The iPhone 5S
The iPod Touch fifth generation
The iPad 2
The iPad with Retina Display
The iPad Air,
The iPad Mini
The iPad Mini with Retina Display

that's TEN DIFFERENT sets of hardware yet they all run the same OS.

Chrysler now has TWO different sets of hardware (maybe THREE- I think actually maybe there's an earlier version then the '14 JGC/durango/RAM that was on some other vehicles- honestly not been paying attention to those- sorry). There's no reason they can't all run the same "version".

the difference is Apple is a real vendor and Chysler is a dink (relatively)- lol.

I can give you an example of another dink- it's called TiVo. Tivo similar to apple has piles of different hardware. Every now and again TiVo comes out with new hardware. It takes a while to develop for the new hardware- call it 6 months (made up number). But they dont want to give up improving things for those 6 months. So they "FORK" the code. The guys on the original software keep building that version and puts out the regular 1 or 2 updates that would occure in that time frame. But part of the team takes the software as of a certain date and then starts modifying that software for the new hardware. WHen the new hardware comes out it has a different version. Usually a little bit more advanced but not a ton- sometimes even a version behind. THEN they go back in later and merge the code. They take the changes they made to the new hardwares code and move equivalent things to the old hardware and vice versa. Then the next realise they both get the same version (even though the low level bits ARE DIfferent for each version). Then for a time everyone gets the same version until a 3rd type of hardware comes along and the process starts over.

If you do it that way then you can continue to develop for the older hardware for some time with only a little bit more effort (at some point you have to give up on them since they are too slow, too little memory, whatever). If you dont do that you you can either abandon the old hardware or if you want to keep addign to the old software then you need to be more inefficient and duplicate some efforts with a different team.

(I'm not a software engineer or anything- just know from experience with other devices like the tivo and the like- so i may be explaining it a little off)

As I stated- i WONDER what FCA is going to do here. Are they going to merge the code back and go down one path? Will they just bail on the 14's? Or will they keep developing different versions for different hardware all the time.

I dont know- I'm wondering. On the one hand the fact the software is chock full of backgrounds, screens, and features for all sorts of different cars and trucks. It also seems 'smart enough to "poll" the vehicle for what features it has and then adjust the options it provides. So those facts would seem to point to them developing a master version that works on all different vehicles and hardware. On the flip side we now have two versions for the 15 and nothing for the 14's since August (in the US at least) and all the PR for the new features only lists the 15's.

will be interesting to see what happens here.
I love people that think they know what they are talking about yet haven't the slightest clue. Being a software developer myself I will tell you your post is filled with 100% utter garbage. Stop talking about something in depth that you have absolutely no idea about. "Running the same OS" doesn't mean the update is the same...

Each one of those phones may run iOS 8 but they are not the same package for each phone. The fact that they are released the same day is called "planning" (something Chrysler/UConnect should work on).

Each one of those phones runs a modified version of the OS specific for that particular model. They are not the same update across the board like you keep saying. Apple just plans the release so they all receive their particular update on the same date/time and calls it the same version (yet the install package downloaded and installed behind the scenes vary by model including what kind of radio the model uses CDMA vs GSM). For example... you can't install the iOS 8 update from an iPhone 5 onto an iPhone 5S, 4S or 6. You also cannot use the update from a iPhone 5 GSM phone on a iPhone 5 CDMA phone. Thats not how this works...

Same goes for the MY14 and MY15 RA3/4 units. Chrysler though should get their shit together and time the releases simultaneously so nobody is left out.
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I love people that think they know what they are talking about yet haven't the slightest clue. Being a software developer myself I will tell you your post is filled with 100% utter garbage. Stop talking about something in depth that you have absolutely no idea about. "Running the same OS" doesn't mean the update is the same...

Each one of those phones may run iOS 8 but they are not the same package for each phone. The fact that they are released the same day is called "planning" (something Chrysler/UConnect should work on).

Each one of those phones runs a modified version of the OS specific for that particular model. They are not the same update across the board like you keep saying. Apple just plans the release so they all receive their particular update on the same date/time and calls it the same version (yet the install package downloaded and installed behind the scenes vary by model including what kind of radio the model uses CDMA vs GSM). For example... you can't install the iOS 8 update from an iPhone 5 onto an iPhone 5S, 4S or 6. You also cannot use the update from a iPhone 5 GSM phone on a iPhone 5 CDMA phone. Thats not how this works...

Same goes for the MY14 and MY15 RA3/4 units. Chrysler though should get their shit together and time the releases simultaneously so nobody is left out.
I too love people that think they know what they are talking about yet haven't the slightest clue. Like when they dont read all the conversation and then talk smack.

As I POSTED in the quote of mine you used "I'm not a software engineer or anything" yet I basically posted the same exact thing you said a few posts back. (well to be fair not the same exact thing- but i was attempting to say what you said- sorry if i wasn't clear)


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Sure the firmware/software is a different image but- you can still install a VERSION of IOS 8 on any apple device from the past few generations of hardware. Apple releases the various different firmware images all on the same day. The older ones just run slower and when they're missing required hardware then those features dont work. No reason that Fiat/Chrysler couldn't do the same. ...

So they could eventually get to a point where they are running the same user visible code even though there would be a different firmware image for the 14s and 15s
and again to be clear, i know nothing about writing software-- well at least not since BASIC- lol. So absolutely could have misspoke of and been wrong about details (I think my wording is actually a little unclear or possible even wrong in spots) so please DO CORRECT, but no reason to say I'm totally wrong when i was attempting to say essentially the same thing you did half a page before. I was just having a hard time making my point (apparently the later attempt was no better since you attacked that too- lol), hopefully one day i learn to be clear.
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... you can't install the iOS 8 update from an iPhone 5 onto an iPhone 5S, 4S or 6. You also cannot use the update from a iPhone 5 GSM phone on a iPhone 5 CDMA phone. Thats not how this works...

Same goes for the MY14 and MY15 RA3/4 units. Chrysler though should get their shit together and time the releases simultaneously so nobody is left out.
PS- I'm not 100% convinced the hardware is even so different it needs a different image.

IT SURELY MAY be very different with different CPU or architecture or something. The "car guys" who know FCA best have explained that FCA wouldnt just change part numbers for little changes. Those guys certainly shouldn't be discounted. I just dont KNOW as I dont see enough facts myself- all we have is different version information to go by and no idea what is going on in the hardware.

But the "computer guy" who knows about the software in the things the most and will publicly speak (Magnus who writes the RAX Jailbreak hacks) has passed word that the hardware is the same in both. Now he may have been talking about the key things like just the SOC and the modem and the like which would cause drastic changes to him. Could be there's more memory in the new one. Could be there's some new hardware in there not yet turned on. Could be they added some sort of hardware security whatnots, But I'd think that before Magnus said what he said he would have at least popped the covers and had a look inside and poked at the chips on the board- I would have if i had a 14 and a 15 on a bench in front of me if nothing more then for my own curiosity- especially since he was first to post that said that the 14 and 15 wouldn't work on the other hardware. He's smart enough to have found a way in to both the 14 and the 15 so he's not just some idiot like me posting on the net.

Still not being able to get the opposite software to work sure sounds like there's a hardware problem.

The current image has piles of different themes for different makes and models. It apparently does some "looking around" (sorry dont know the right words) when it first boots to see what hardware is in the vehicle or what options to enable, some apparently by Vin or software switches and others by checking for certain hardware . For example Magnus can get the SRT pages to work on any vehicle (although it will have conflicts with NA devices that have uconnect access so he cant do both). Its also easy enough to flip a software switch to enable nav on the non factory nav units. Hardwarewise - as an example, you can take the cd player in or out (if the harness is there) and the uconnect adapts to realize if it's there or not and adds the relevant controls to it's touchscreen. Magnus forces the pickup truck cargo cam interface to show up on a jeep/durango/whatever so that you can add additional video inputs- not sure if maybe he's written a patch to tell the uconnect it's always there even when it isn't. I happen to have a Durango- i am under the impression that the Durango image IS the exact same as the JGC one. Yet when uconnect boots it figures out I have hardware in my vehicle to remotely fold the 3rd row headsets and it puts that part of the interface up on the uconnect. It doesn't add that to Jeeps- it knows what to add to the UI depending on what hardware it finds.

So, if (BIG IF) the difference where some sort of add on (who knows what that might be) and not a CPU or SOC change or anything like that- would it be possible to use the same image but have it just check to see if the additional hardware was there or not like it does when it looks for a CD player? My ignorant laymen mind would say "Why not?" But obviously a developer would be in a better position to explain one way or the other.

Still keep going back to 14 and 15 software to date isn't interchangeable so could be there is enough hardware issue to forever require a different image.

Edit: just adding the link from the forum post with what Magnus said:

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FWIW, I got confirmation from Magnus (developer of the lockpick) that the 2015 AN is:

"100% same hardware just different software.. there´s no airplay or anything sexy in the new software"

Oh well.
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I love people that think they know what they are talking about yet haven't the slightest clue. Being a software developer myself I will tell you your post is filled with 100% utter garbage. Stop talking about something in depth that you have absolutely no idea about. "Running the same OS" doesn't mean the update is the same...

Each one of those phones may run iOS 8 but they are not the same package for each phone. The fact that they are released the same day is called "planning" (something Chrysler/UConnect should work on).

Each one of those phones runs a modified version of the OS specific for that particular model. They are not the same update across the board like you keep saying. Apple just plans the release so they all receive their particular update on the same date/time and calls it the same version (yet the install package downloaded and installed behind the scenes vary by model including what kind of radio the model uses CDMA vs GSM). For example... you can't install the iOS 8 update from an iPhone 5 onto an iPhone 5S, 4S or 6. You also cannot use the update from a iPhone 5 GSM phone on a iPhone 5 CDMA phone. Thats not how this works...

Same goes for the MY14 and MY15 RA3/4 units. Chrysler though should get their shit together and time the releases simultaneously so nobody is left out.
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Re: UConnect 8.4 - North America

Regardless... It would be nice to know what is in the 2014 update and when it is coming.
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Regardless... It would be nice to know what is in the 2014 update and when it is coming.
We never know in advance and u only get the change log well after when the TSB is published, unfortunately.
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Still waiting for release date.
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Re: UConnect 8.4 - North America

For those interested- another post from magnus at customtronix that 15 hardware is the "same" as 14 hardware and 15 software appears to run on 14 (except the usb/sd module apparently). But the 15 is totally different software.

makes me fear that the 15 software is prepped for some significant new features to be added that folks with the 14 will miss out on since we don't have the new base. Guess time will tell.

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Regarding updates to MY13/14! I think we will see maybe one more update for MY13/14, but after that not anything in a long time.

The funny thing is that MY15 Uconnect has 100% same hardware! but they have changed more or less the whole core of the platform. I have 14.47 in our MY14 RAM and it seems to work fine except from the new type of media connector they have in the MY15, it doesn´t recognize MY14/13 media connector (USB/SD), in our case it´s no problem as we can make it to detect it.

NO! we will not give out the 14.47 to the MY13 and MY14 because we really
don´t know if there´s more around the Uconnect that could have been changed.
It would be very irresponsible to do since we can´t be sure what may happen to the whole setup.

I know some cars may have problems with the 14.25 (current MY13/14) but I would say that it´s pretty good, at least for the Rams.
You should not be fooled by the firmware versions! just because 14.47 is a higher number doesn´t mean it´s better! the MY15 platform has been updated 3 times within 6 months and it still has many bugs that 14.25
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