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Re: UPDATE...2011 Nav. Systems

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My wife has the 730N RER system in her Company car (2008 Dodge Magnum) and I have had OEM in-dash navigation in the two cars I’ve owned since 2003, and an aftermarket in-dash navigation system in my F-150 plus two dash top units for vacation and business travel. And I can say without question that the 730N RER was the worst of all the nav systems we have had. I don’t really care about gyros and accelerometers; what I do care about is the Navigation system plotting the best and most correct route based on how I have it set up (fastest or shortest route). And my wife and I are always amazed at how often the 730N RER gave us the dumbest route. We almost always look at each other and ask; why in the #$%& is it taking us that way? Also, I could never understand why it would almost never show the names of the surrounding streets. I had an in-dash Pioneer navigation system in my F-150 that would show the name of every street on the screen, so you could use it as if it were really a map (duh). You’re not always trying to find a particular address or POI you might just want to get to a street that you know. I could look at the screen and find my way to the street or intersection I needed. Just seeing a bunch of lines on the 730N screen tells you nothing. Since getting our GC with the 430N we have found it to always give us the best most common sense route from point “A” to point “B”. It doesn’t show enough street names for me, but does show more that the 730N RER ever did. And having the 430N show us what lane to get into when out of town on a busy freeway is priceless. So unless Harman has improved the “navigation” in the new 730N RNR I’m much happier with the 430N and Garmin Navigation.
You are referring to 4 year old maps and 7 software revisions ago(if it was an early 2008 model, it probobly had the original buggy "beta" software. If most people's experience was as bad as yours with the unit we'd be hearing it all over the forums by now.

The same Harman nav system and Navteq maps are used exclusively by BMW, Porsche, VW, Mercedes, and Ferrari.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:39 PM
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Re: UPDATE...2011 Nav. Systems

My wife updated the software every time it was available and the maps weren't four years old three years ago when she got the new car. BTW, the second worst navigation system we had was in the Mercedes; now I know why.
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I have the 430N listed on my online sticker.....but I honesty don't know what it's going to show up with next week. I like them both, don't really care either way.
Yours will have the 430N RHB.
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Re: UPDATE...2011 Nav. Systems

I forgot to add Bentley and Lamborghini.

I guess they should've spoken to Ford or just picked up a $69 Garmin from Walmart and velcro'd it to the dash.

I don't doubt your bad experience, but it just doesn't jive with decision made by so many high end, cost is no object manufacturers.

What's more likely, you had a problem with a particular unit, or all these companies made the same idiotic decision in choosing a system with route algorithims destined to piss off their well heeled customers?
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I forgot to add Bentley and Lamborghini.

I guess they should've spoken to Ford or just picked up a $69 Garmin from Walmart and velcro'd it to the dash.

I don't doubt your bad experience, but it just doesn't jive with decision made by so many high end, cost is no object manufacturers.

What's more likely, you had a problem with a particular unit, or all these companies made the same idiotic decision in choosing a system with route algorithims destined to piss off their well heeled customers?

It's pretty well known that the Japanese manufacturers have had superior nav systems in their vehicles, despite the fact that the German cars are higher end. Hell, when I was driving around in a 2001 Acura, it had a DVD-based nav system, while my brother still had 8 different CD-ROMs for mapping in his new Mercedes. Not only was my system faster, but it was far more intuitive and easy to use. Point is, just because MB/BMW and the others use the same mapping data and software doesn't mean that it's the best out there. I'd still take an Acura or Lexus nav system over anything else I've seen out there.
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I have the 430N listed on my online sticker.....but I honesty don't know what it's going to show up with next week. I like them both, don't really care either way.
same here although i think 730 would be a nice surprise ill be happy just finally getting it
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Re: UPDATE...2011 Nav. Systems

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I forgot to add Bentley and Lamborghini.

I guess they should've spoken to Ford or just picked up a $69 Garmin from Walmart and velcro'd it to the dash.

I don't doubt your bad experience, but it just doesn't jive with decision made by so many high end, cost is no object manufacturers.

What's more likely, you had a problem with a particular unit, or all these companies made the same idiotic decision in choosing a system with route algorithims destined to piss off their well heeled customers?
Iím just going by our experience with what we have. If someone could post a picture showing a 730N navigation screen that shows more than a couple of street names on it I might change my mind. But still donít know about the route guidance.

Iíd bet that if you took a poll you would find that Ford (and GM for that matter) has a better navigation system (based on customer satisfaction) then any of the Harman clients you listed. I know from first hand experience that two of the manufactures you listed have navigation systems that suck.
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Yours will have the 430N RHB.
Awesome...thanks!
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I forgot to add Bentley and Lamborghini.

I guess they should've spoken to Ford or just picked up a $69 Garmin from Walmart and velcro'd it to the dash.

I don't doubt your bad experience, but it just doesn't jive with decision made by so many high end, cost is no object manufacturers.

What's more likely, you had a problem with a particular unit, or all these companies made the same idiotic decision in choosing a system with route algorithims destined to piss off their well heeled customers?
Well, that is what the manufacturer of the worlds fastest, most expensive car Bugatti suggests you do.

Also agree with curly, Mercedes Nav from the last couple of years sucks and isn't even touch screen. Ask any Mercedes owner.
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My wife has the 730N RER system in her Company car (2008 Dodge Magnum) and I have had OEM in-dash navigation in the two cars Iíve owned since 2003, and an aftermarket in-dash navigation system in my F-150 plus two dash top units for vacation and business travel. And I can say without question that the 730N RER was the worst of all the nav systems we have had. I donít really care about gyros and accelerometers; what I do care about is the Navigation system plotting the best and most correct route based on how I have it set up (fastest or shortest route). And my wife and I are always amazed at how often the 730N RER gave us the dumbest route. We almost always look at each other and ask; why in the #$%& is it taking us that way? Also, I could never understand why it would almost never show the names of the surrounding streets. I had an in-dash Pioneer navigation system in my F-150 that would show the name of every street on the screen, so you could use it as if it were really a map (duh). Youíre not always trying to find a particular address or POI you might just want to get to a street that you know. I could look at the screen and find my way to the street or intersection I needed. Just seeing a bunch of lines on the 730N screen tells you nothing. Since getting our GC with the 430N we have found it to always give us the best most common sense route from point ďAĒ to point ďBĒ. It doesnít show enough street names for me, but does show more that the 730N RER ever did. And having the 430N show us what lane to get into when out of town on a busy freeway is priceless. So unless Harman has improved the ďnavigationĒ in the new 730N RNR Iím much happier with the 430N and Garmin Navigation.
I'm with curly but I'll admit my 730N experience was based on a 2007 JK and I know for a fact that there were different software versions floating around for the 730 depending on what year you had. In fact, they changed the numbering scheme at some point but I'm not sure if they brought the older hardware online with the newer hardware. My biggest problem with the 730 was not the routing,, but the number of button pushes required to find a POI...and you pretty much had to get the name exactly right in order for the archaic search engine to have a chance of finding whatever you were looking for. But, again, I had one of the early models and I hope that the algos were fixed with the new 730 released in 2009.
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Well, that is what the manufacturer of the worlds fastest, most expensive car Bugatti suggests you do.

Also agree with curly, Mercedes Nav from the last couple of years sucks and isn't even touch screen. Ask any Mercedes owner.
The interface sucks, but the issue is routing. Harman's navteq maps maps and routing algorithims are the same across all their units.
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Why would you want the cheaper unit with less accurate navigation than the 730 RER? The Garmin unit has no dead reckoning gyroscopes, lower resolution, no Sirius live road condition updates and was intended as a low cost "value" alternative to the Harman unit.

Disappointed in Chrysler? They did you a favor.

By the way, the Hemi unit in your engine compartment is an old design that's been around for years. I suggest you force the dealer to swap out that antique for the brand new Pentastar, it must be better.
Have to say I disagree on both points.

Though you may be technically correct, the fact is that the Garmin has an updated interface and doesn't suffer from any issues with navigation, so it's useless to try to insinuate that it may. The actual screen resolution of both units is the same. And the Garmin also comes with an updated media center/IPOD interface.

As for the V6 versus V8, again, you may be technically correct that the Hemi is an older design, but in many people's worlds a reliable, well-tested engine is a very good thing. And the bottom line is I get about 21 mpg highway and have 390 lb./ft of torque to play with. The car feels much lighter and sportier to drive than in the V6 because of this I noticed. And it sounds much better (of course IMO).

I think the gentleman should go with the Garmin and the V8 if he can.
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