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Re: UPDATE...2011 Nav. Systems

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Have to say I disagree on both points.

Though you may be technically correct, the fact is that the Garmin has an updated interface and doesn't suffer from any issues with navigation, so it's useless to try to insinuate that it may. The actual screen resolution of both units is the same. And the Garmin also comes with an updated media center/IPOD interface.

As for the V6 versus V8, again, you may be technically correct that the Hemi is an older design, but in many people's worlds a reliable, well-tested engine is a very good thing. And the bottom line is I get about 21 mpg highway and have 390 lb./ft of torque to play with. The car feels much lighter and sportier to drive than in the V6 because of this I noticed. And it sounds much better (of course IMO).

I think the gentleman should go with the Garmin and the V8 if he can.
Yes, I agree with you ctwickman. The Garmin units do not typically suffer from lost sat reception, hence no real need for dead reckoning unless you're going through a tunnel. But usually when you go through a tunnel you end up on the same road coming out as going in. Catch my drift?

I was also under the impression that the RHB will have Sirius Traffic with the January update. Not really sure why there is such a fuss between these 2 units. Yes, there are differences between the RHR and RHB but the pros and cons of each cancel each other out.

Oh and, hands down V8 is a must have with this Jeep. If you want a V6 I suggest the Liberty.
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Re: UPDATE...2011 Nav. Systems

I got lost in the smokey mountains beause my Garmin Nuvi 255W lost satelite signal. Dead reckoning would have been very very helpful at this point.

As far as which unit is best....you got me.....it would be like saying that Coke is better than Pepsi, each person is going to have a different take on it, especially if they just bought a case of coke
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Oh and, hands down V8 is a must have with this Jeep. If you want a V6 I suggest the Liberty.
Yet far more people will opt for the V6 than the V8. Especially with escalating gas prices.
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Yet far more people will opt for the V6 than the V8. Especially with escalating gas prices.
The difference in MPG between the V6 and V8 isn't that great from what people have been posting on these forums. I get 21 mpg highway with the V8 and that is in a Chicago winter with winter-formulated gas.

Now the difference in torque, speed, feeling of lightness of the car, that is quite different between the two engines.
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My wife has the 730N RER system in her Company car (2008 Dodge Magnum) and I have had OEM in-dash navigation in the two cars I’ve owned since 2003, and an aftermarket in-dash navigation system in my F-150 plus two dash top units for vacation and business travel. And I can say without question that the 730N RER was the worst of all the nav systems we have had. I don’t really care about gyros and accelerometers; what I do care about is the Navigation system plotting the best and most correct route based on how I have it set up (fastest or shortest route). And my wife and I are always amazed at how often the 730N RER gave us the dumbest route. We almost always look at each other and ask; why in the #$%& is it taking us that way? Also, I could never understand why it would almost never show the names of the surrounding streets. I had an in-dash Pioneer navigation system in my F-150 that would show the name of every street on the screen, so you could use it as if it were really a map (duh). You’re not always trying to find a particular address or POI you might just want to get to a street that you know. I could look at the screen and find my way to the street or intersection I needed. Just seeing a bunch of lines on the 730N screen tells you nothing. Since getting our GC with the 430N we have found it to always give us the best most common sense route from point “A” to point “B”. It doesn’t show enough street names for me, but does show more that the 730N RER ever did. And having the 430N show us what lane to get into when out of town on a busy freeway is priceless. So unless Harman has improved the “navigation” in the new 730N RNR I’m much happier with the 430N and Garmin Navigation.
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The difference in MPG between the V6 and V8 isn't that great from what people have been posting on these forums. I get 21 mpg highway with the V8 and that is in a Chicago winter with winter-formulated gas.

Now the difference in torque, speed, feeling of lightness of the car, that is quite different between the two engines.
I'm not even debating the MPG difference....I'm just saying more people will choose the V6 over the V8, and even more so as gas prices continue to rise. That just proves that even a small fuel economy advantage must mean something to most people....

But back on topic-- I think dead reckoning is VERY important if you live or drive anywhere near large cities where there's a lot of potential to block signals and/or roads may be tightly packed together.
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4 shots of the 730N at 4 different zoom levels
mrpositraction, I’m very, very impressed with the pictures of the 730 showing the street names; especially the first two because those are the zoom levels that we are at almost all the time (wouldn’t expect many names at the last two zoom levels). So the unit can do it if it really tries (I wish ours had worked like this).

Now if the 730N navigation worked well it could be a great unit. Has anyone tried looking for POI while out of town? Just last weekend we took the Magnum with the 730N on a trip to Virginia and on two different occasions we tried to find a Loews and an Olive Garden. On both tries it listed places hundreds of miles away back in our home state of Ohio. We had to go back and manually input the city name where we were. This is a navigation unit, right? It should know where we are, right? Shouldn’t it default to finding the POI around my current location?

No problem though, my wife just picked up her new 2011 company car (pictured below) equipped with a 430N. So now we are both very happy with our navigation systems. As others have stated; everyone should decide what they want. When I placed the order for my Overland back in September I checked off the 730N (despite our issues with the unit in the Magnum) because it was suppose to be the best navigation system available. I didn’t (at the time) know anything about the 430N but now we are both very happy with our 430’s. If only we could get that iPod USB jack to work consistently.

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Now if the 730N navigation worked well it could be a great unit. Has anyone tried looking for POI while out of town? Just last weekend we took the Magnum with the 730N on a trip to Virginia and on two different occasions we tried to find a Loews and an Olive Garden. On both tries it listed places hundreds of miles away back in our home state of Ohio. We had to go back and manually input the city name where we were. This is a navigation unit, right? It should know where we are, right? Shouldn’t it default to finding the POI around my current location?
All you have to do is press the Find Nearby POI button to find a POI nearest your current location at any time, routing or not.

If the unit is routing, Point of Interest will search locations nearest your destination.

If the unit is not routing, Point of Interest will search locations nearest your programmed home location.

Seems like a perfectly logical setup to me.

I have mine set to show POI icons on the map, so if I'm in an area, and see a restaurant icon that I'm curious about, I can just press the icon and the name, phone number, address, and cuisine come up. From there I can add it to my favorites, call the phone number, or start routing (or take a detour from the current route) to it.

Also, while the screens are the same resolution, the Garmin nav only uses HALF the resolution, so street names are harder to read.
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The difference in MPG between the V6 and V8 isn't that great from what people have been posting on these forums. I get 21 mpg highway with the V8 and that is in a Chicago winter with winter-formulated gas.

Now the difference in torque, speed, feeling of lightness of the car, that is quite different between the two engines.
How did we get from discussing nav systems to the usual V8 vs. V6 discussion?

There's a bunch of folks who noted no real difference between the two. Including the overwhelming majority of professional auto reviewers. One second to 60mph when flogging it is hardly a world of difference. Buy what you want and somebody else's vehicle is his or her own business, so get off it.
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...Has anyone tried looking for POI while out of town? Just last weekend we took the Magnum with the 730N on a trip to Virginia and on two different occasions we tried to find a Loews and an Olive Garden. On both tries it listed places hundreds of miles away back in our home state of Ohio. We had to go back and manually input the city name where we were. This is a navigation unit, right? It should know where we are, right? Shouldn’t it default to finding the POI around my current location?
I agree, it is so frustrating trying to find a local destination that I don't even bother trying anymore. The "find local POI" is all but worthless - way too many steps to narrow down the business that you are trying to find, and then when the list is finally displayed you have to endlessly scroll to try and find what you want.

It's obvious that the programmers who write the software never use the units themselves, as well as some common sense. WHY there is not an overall setting to input a mileage limitation is truly baffling. There should be an option to allow you to input and store a number for "Show results within a __ mile radius only". I get so frustrated when results are displayed for locations that are hundreds or even thousands of miles away. A mileage limitation should be available when you type in the name of a business!!!
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I agree, it is so frustrating trying to find a local destination that I don't even bother trying anymore. The "find local POI" is all but worthless - way too many steps to narrow down the business that you are trying to find, and then when the list is finally displayed you have to endlessly scroll to try and find what you want.

It's obvious that the programmers who write the software never use the units themselves, as well as some common sense. WHY there is not an overall setting to input a mileage limitation is truly baffling. There should be an option to allow you to input and store a number for "Show results within a __ mile radius only". I get so frustrated when results are displayed for locations that are hundreds or even thousands of miles away. A mileage limitation should be available when you type in the name of a business!!!

+1...this was my biggest complaint with the 730N. The same goes for voice nav...just too many steps to get to the POI.
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I agree, it is so frustrating trying to find a local destination that I don't even bother trying anymore. The "find local POI" is all but worthless - way too many steps to narrow down the business that you are trying to find, and then when the list is finally displayed you have to endlessly scroll to try and find what you want.

It's obvious that the programmers who write the software never use the units themselves, as well as some common sense. WHY there is not an overall setting to input a mileage limitation is truly baffling. There should be an option to allow you to input and store a number for "Show results within a __ mile radius only". I get so frustrated when results are displayed for locations that are hundreds or even thousands of miles away. A mileage limitation should be available when you type in the name of a business!!!
The results show up sorted in distance order, with the closest first.

How are you having to look at results from "thousands of miles away" without scrolling through all the closer results first?

What would limiting results to a certain radius accomplish?

I use the "Find Nearby POI" extensively, and once you understand how it works, it's very easy. Want something specific, like Lowes? Type Lowes. Want a gas station, choose that catagory.

The system would have to be able to read your mind to be any easier.

Voice nav does suck, as in every system I've tried.
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