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The results show up sorted in distance order, with the closest first.

How are you having to look at results from "thousands of miles away" without scrolling through all the closer results first?

What would limiting results to a certain radius accomplish?

I use the "Find Nearby POI" extensively, and once you understand how it works, it's very easy. Want something specific, like Lowes? Type Lowes. Want a gas station, choose that catagory.

The system would have to be able to read your mind to be any easier.

Voice nav does suck, as in every system I've tried.
I've typed in Walmart and it shows zero listings because it is spelled Wal-Mart or Wal Mart in the GPS. I've also typed in Dick's and the nearest one would be 200 miles away. There are numerous examples of this type that have frustrated me to the point that I rarely use the search function. I have to caveat this with I'm using a 2007 730N in my JK...this is not the same as the current crop of 730Ns so I don't know if they have gotten better.
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I've typed in Walmart and it shows zero listings because it is spelled Wal-Mart or Wal Mart in the GPS. I've also typed in Dick's and the nearest one would be 200 miles away. There are numerous examples of this type that have frustrated me to the point that I rarely use the search function. I have to caveat this with I'm using a 2007 730N in my JK...this is not the same as the current crop of 730Ns so I don't know if they have gotten better.
No car based system can "guess" what you're looking for if your search doesn't match the name stored in it's POI list.

The way to deal with uncertain hyphens or apostrophe's (Lowe's or Lowes, for instance) is to only enter the first part of the search term. "Wal" for Wal-Mart or "Lowe" for Lowe's.

The POI list is the same NavTeq supplied one in Harman and Garmin systems, so the same issue will come up regardless of system used.
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How are you having to look at results from "thousands of miles away" without scrolling through all the closer results first?
I just went out and typed in "Office Max". There is one just a few miles from where I live. The first result that came up was 790 miles away! Yet the one that is close to home is in the database as I can find it via phone number.
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No car based system can "guess" what you're looking for if your search doesn't match the name stored in it's POI list.

The way to deal with uncertain hyphens or apostrophe's (Lowe's or Lowes, for instance) is to only enter the first part of the search term. "Wal" for Wal-Mart or "Lowe" for Lowe's.

The POI list is the same NavTeq supplied one in Harman and Garmin systems, so the same issue will come up regardless of system used.
Why can't the car based system figure it out? Google does. WalMart = Wal Mart = Wal-Mart. How does google "read your mind" in this case? They rank your results by exact match, then they eliminate special characters (spaces, hyphens, etc.). It is not complicated, especially for a nav/media center that is running linux.

I will try WalMart on the Garmin 430N and report back.

Having said that, I'm glad your system is working for you. That's what counts.
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Why can't the car based system figure it out? Google does. WalMart = Wal Mart = Wal-Mart. How does google "read your mind" in this case? They rank your results by exact match, then they eliminate special characters (spaces, hyphens, etc.). It is not complicated, especially for a nav/media center that is running linux.

I will try WalMart on the Garmin 430N and report back.

Having said that, I'm glad your system is working for you. That's what counts.
There are 8,000,000 POI's in the NavTeq database.

Your head unit's $10 central processor does not possess quite the same processing power as google's server farm. For a search to be widened to include all possible variations and misspellings would take many times the amount of time it takes now.
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I just went out and typed in "Office Max". There is one just a few miles from where I live. The first result that came up was 790 miles away! Yet the one that is close to home is in the database as I can find it via phone number.
Officemax is one word. Either there is a different store called Office Max, or more likely that one was entered into the database incorrectly as two words.

Search for "office" or "officemax" and I bet it will come right up.
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There are 8,000,000 POI's in the NavTeq database.

Your head unit's $10 central processor does not possess quite the same processing power as google's server farm. For a search to be widened to include all possible variations and misspellings would take many times the amount of time it takes now.
I politely disagree. An 8 million entry search on a >500MHz processor should take under a second to complete. And the first 4 entries would be displayed much quicker. So the user wouldn't know the difference. Poorly written software is poorly written software.... the fact that they don't do it means either they didn't think of it, don't care, or THEIR software can't do it in a timely manner.

Not trying to start a fight here, just odd that you're vehemently defending the RER as the end-all be-all. If it doesn't do something... it shouldn't. If people struggle to use it... their using it wrong. Etc.

Note: Just like you estimated the processor to cost $10, I estimated that it would have at least the capabilities of a Nintendo Wii, whose processor costs about $10 and runs at 729MHz.
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[QUOTE=robg;326345]I politely disagree. An 8 million entry search on a >500MHz processor should take under a second to complete. And the first 4 entries would be displayed much quicker. So the user wouldn't know the difference. Poorly written software is poorly written software.... the fact that they don't do it means either they didn't think of it, don't care, or THEIR software can't do it in a timely manner.

You are assuming it's a software issue, and not a limitation of cpu/memory. The head unit is, in real time, managing digital audio streams, navigation, user input, monitoring the uConnect phone system, and conducting your search at the same time. The "don't care" argument makes little sense, since it's a Harman designed system, that's constantly battling competitors to get OEM's to buy their equiptment. If they could make their equiptment more competitive by adding a relatively straightforward but processor intensive AI "fuzzy" search, they would.

Not trying to start a fight here, just odd that you're vehemently defending the RER as the end-all be-all. If it doesn't do something... it shouldn't. If people struggle to use it... their using it wrong. Etc.

I never said the RER is the "be all end all". I said it has more accurate nav than the 430N, and it does. Someone claims it doesn't show street names, well it does. The previous poster obviously knew nothing about the "Find Nearby POI" function, and again, made a claim that's just wrong. Someone reading this thread, if those things weren't corrected, would get a very inaccurate representation of the 730. Advantages of the 430 are a much friendlier user friendly interface, snappier response to voice commands than the 730, and it is certainly a good unit, but the 730 nav is superior in terms of accuracy and start up time.
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I've typed in Walmart and it shows zero listings because it is spelled Wal-Mart or Wal Mart in the GPS. I've also typed in Dick's and the nearest one would be 200 miles away. There are numerous examples of this type that have frustrated me to the point that I rarely use the search function. I have to caveat this with I'm using a 2007 730N in my JK...this is not the same as the current crop of 730Ns so I don't know if they have gotten better.
I just tried "Walmart" on the 430N and it almost instantly showed me the "Wal-Mart" that is about 1 mile from my location. It even highlighted in the letters I searched for in red, like this: Wal-Mart. This works as I expected.

I searched for "Office Max" (with a space) and it found several Office Max stores, but not the one closest to my location (about a mile away). It showed me one 7 miles away and one 12 miles away. I didn't check to see how the one closest to me is spelled in the 430N.
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I stand corrected. I just checked my 730, and typing in "Walmart" brings up Wal-Mart and Walmart entries. Typing "Office Max" brings up "Officemax" and "Office Max" listings. "Wamart" or "Officemx" don't work (though google does recognize and corrects them). So there we have it, a very basic fuzzy search that can ignore blank spaces.

So what was it that made the 730 a POS again?
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Officemax is one word. Either there is a different store called Office Max, or more likely that one was entered into the database incorrectly as two words.

Search for "office" or "officemax" and I bet it will come right up.
If I search using one word it brings up a location 10 miles away, but not the closest one. Same with "Home Depot" - I get different results entering in "Home Depot" vs "The Home Depot". It should only be listed once in the database, or at least, bring up both variations in the results and eliminate the duplicate locations.

Another issue I have is that after entering a long name and then searching and looking at results, when you go back to the keyboard the name is erased which is very annoying, as you have to start all over again to enter a different spelling, for example.

Overall I love the MyGig, it certainly has a lot of great features but as mentioned I wish the programmers would actually put some road hours into using the unit so they would better understand its limitations and quirks.
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I stand corrected. I just checked my 730, and typing in "Walmart" brings up Wal-Mart and Walmart entries. Typing "Office Max" brings up "Officemax" and "Office Max" listings. "Wamart" or "Officemx" don't work (though google does recognize and corrects them). So there we have it, a very basic fuzzy search that can ignore blank spaces.

So what was it that made the 730 a POS again?
I'm glad we finally agree that these nav systems with a $10 processor have the ability to see that WalMart = Wal-Mart = Wal Mart. Call it fuzzy, basic fuzzy, or AI. As for missing actual letters... yeah that's more involved, but I didn't suggest that my $10 processor should be able to do that.

As for the 730N... I only spent a short time with it in on a test drive. My wk2 came with a 430N (I bought off the lot, not a special order) and I'm perfectly happy with it. I don't live in NYC so I can't comment on the 430N's ability to traverse a city with dense, tall buildings or long tunnels. The 430N works great for me in suburbia.
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