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Re: Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

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Great City, still did not see everything their.

For a 5-channel, either the JL Audio HD900/5 or the Alpine PDX-V9.

Best for now.

It is except when it's -10 with the wind chill on the walk to work. Gotta leave the GC in the garage to keep warm

The JL 900 is a bit pricey and if I don't need that much power, I would rather put the cash into the speakers. Don't need to blow the doors off, just want a nice clean sounding system. Any thoughts on the JL 700? 75x4 with 300 to the sub....

I guess my question is if I have enough to power the system with a single amp. Really don't want to go with a dedicated sub amp if I don't have to. Haven't worked on an install in a long time and getting excited to put this together. Thanks guys
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Re: Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

Sorry guys but I am still not clear on what lines to tap with the amp. My understanding is that the front components and rear doors along with the sub are the way to go. Am I missing something here? Are you recommending to let the factory amp run both sets of rear speakers in the doors and the fills above the rear deck?

In this configuration with the alpine 5 channel amp, are you running a separate channel to each of the tweeters and woofers in the front door?

Tweeter 1 FL: Channel 1
Tweeter 2 FR: Channel 2
Woofer 1 FL: Channel 3
Woofer 2 FR: Channel 4
Stealthbox: Channel 5
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Re: Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

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The JL 900 is a bit pricey and if I don't need that much power, I would rather put the cash into the speakers. Don't need to blow the doors off, just want a nice clean sounding system. Any thoughts on the JL 700? 75x4 with 300 to the sub....
Greetings,

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With regards to your question on the JL Audio the XD700/5 will be fine. Rule of thumb, heavy bass music you should have some extra power. The sleathbox is does enjoy the extra power to make it shine. So, if you do not listen to heavy bass music it should be fine. Otherwise, if you do need the power for the bass, then go with the Alpine PDX-V9.

When looking for speakers, check out the passive crossover networks that come with the speaker. The better crossovers allow the speaker to reach a full potenial.

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Sorry guys but I am still not clear on what lines to tap with the amp.

Tweeter 1 FL: Channel 1
Tweeter 2 FR: Channel 2
Woofer 1 FL: Channel 3
Woofer 2 FR: Channel 4
Stealthbox: Channel 5

Greetings,

You should tap into the front door and the bass speaker in order to get the true full range signal, if you have the Alpine system.

It would be the following:

Front tweeter both left and right
Front Mid-bass woofer both left and right
and the two channels of the bass.

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/audio/2012_WK_audio_wiring.pdf

Out of the factory amp into the summing device and then into the aftermarket amp. This link is a review of some of the better summing devices:

Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

This link gives you information on how the system is setup of a 7.1 surround sound effect.

Hope this helps and best for now.
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Re: Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

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Thanks Subbie. This was exactly what I was looking for. Stock amp will continue to run the rear fills and front speaker in the dash then and the new alpine 5 channel would run the rear doors, front components and stealth box. I looked at the LC6I for processing and also heard the JL cleansweep mentioned in the mix. Any advice there. Thanks much.
The cleansweep for some reason you have to control volume with their knob. With the LC7i, you retain stock volume controls. That is why I chose the LC7i.

I will post a thread as I do the install, sometime in June.
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Thanks Subbie. This was exactly what I was looking for. Stock amp will continue to run the rear fills and front speaker in the dash then and the new alpine 5 channel would run the rear doors, front components and stealth box. I looked at the LC6I for processing and also heard the JL cleansweep mentioned in the mix. Any advice there. Thanks much.
Greetings,

The JL Audio Cleansweep processor (CL441 DSP) does indeed work with a volume control module. However, the summing device does not need the volume control. The one complaint many have is the output of the sum is sent out via a Hi Level output. Some aftermarket processors and/or amps have the ability to connect into their respective input. Otherwise, just hook up a hi-lo connected and you are good to go.

The JL Audio CL-SSI is consider on of the top summing devices to get a really clean signal. As previously mentioned before, the AudioControl LC7i and the ARC audio summing devices are another stand out piece of electronic. Each has it's own merits. The Audiocontrol LC7i gives you the additional advantage of restoring the bass frequencies, especially if you want to connect the output directly into the amp (your case will the sub woofer channel). The ARC Audio piece really give a truly clean signal at the audiophile level. This is handy when connecting to a top of line DSP Unit.

Based on the setup you want to go for, the will be no DSP for time alignment or any equalizing between the front and rear doors plus the sub. After you install everything and the sound does not meet your expectations, their is a way to correct it. Audison has a great DSP that does not cost that much (est $400.00 give or take). This way you do not have to go out and spend $800.00 or better on a full blown DSP Unit.

BIT TEN - Audison Multi-Function Signal Interface Digital Processor at Abt

IMO, it just question of how much money want to spend for a perfect system.

Best for now.
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Re: Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

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Greetings,

The JL Audio Cleansweep processor (CL441 DSP) does indeed work with a volume control module. However, the summing device does not need the volume control. The one complaint many have is the output of the sum is sent out via a Hi Level output. Some aftermarket processors and/or amps have the ability to connect into their respective input. Otherwise, just hook up a hi-lo connected and you are good to go.

The JL Audio CL-SSI is consider on of the top summing devices to get a really clean signal. As previously mentioned before, the AudioControl LC7i and the ARC audio summing devices are another stand out piece of electronic. Each has it's own merits. The Audiocontrol LC7i gives you the additional advantage of restoring the bass frequencies, especially if you want to connect the output directly into the amp (your case will the sub woofer channel). The ARC Audio piece really give a truly clean signal at the audiophile level. This is handy when connecting to a top of line DSP Unit.

Based on the setup you want to go for, the will be no DSP for time alignment or any equalizing between the front and rear doors plus the sub. After you install everything and the sound does not meet your expectations, their is a way to correct it. Audison has a great DSP that does not cost that much (est $400.00 give or take). This way you do not have to go out and spend $800.00 or better on a full blown DSP Unit.

BIT TEN - Audison Multi-Function Signal Interface Digital Processor at Abt

IMO, it just question of how much money want to spend for a perfect system.

Best for now.
This I understand, but how come a few ppl did it this way, and the sound quality improved, and not one complained about the timing?
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This I understand, but how come a few ppl did it this way, and the sound quality improved, and not one complained about the timing?
Greetings,

To begin with, once the front and rear the factory speakers are replaced, even a basic aftermarket speaker will far exceed the sound quality of the factory speaker. The detail of the music now becomes clear and precise. For those of us that are audiophiles, the high end speakers deliveries a more natural sound exposing all the details.

For some people that had the standard arrangement of front, rear (some call it the rear fill) and sub are used to how the sound is delivered. Believe or not, depending on a car's characteristics, it is if you had a 2 channel system like we had for many years in our homes prior to surround sound. Now, by keeping the center speaker and and rear pillars (tailgate) on the factory Alpine DSP amp with the arrangement of front, rear and sub, you now created a 5.0 or 5.1 surround sound environment instead of keeping the factory design of 7.1. Technically, even if you add a DSP processor like the Audison Bit Ten for the front, rear and sub, you still have a 5.0 or 5.1 environment, except you can play with the front stage and give the rear door some sort of offset effect.

Many times when I used to do home theater installations, when it came to a small room, we had to play with delays in order to capture the effects correctly so that it did not sound right next to you. The goal is to have sightly in back of you. With music and a 7.1 system you are trying to create a 3D effect. This is why Logic 7 from Harman (the current aftermarket version is the JBL MS-8) works well and many of the European cars has it built-in.

The short of this, it all depends on you the listener is comfortable with. In my case, my home theater is a 5.1 setup for which I love how the system sounds. My friend has 7.1 and in the large room it works. The modern movie theaters are geared to 7.1. I have been in cars with 7.1 setup and I really appreciate the difference in the sound. The Alpine aftermarket surround sound DSP PXA-H800 is a 5.1 design. So, it is really a matter of personal opinion and taste.

The good old days for car audio was a 3 way front active system with a rear fill-in using a midrange speaker only and the subwoofer.

Best for now.
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Re: Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

I'm going to be installing Audiocontrol LC7. I see in this post it says to use the wires coming out of the factory Amp then into the LC7 then to aftermarket Amp. Why not get the feed from the head unit before the amp that way the factory amp has nothing to do with it?? Is that possible? I haven't dug into the system yet just trying to get some info so when my amps and speakers get here.
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Re: Updated New Pictures! Stealthbox/Audio Control Installed thus far

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Greetings,

The JL Audio Cleansweep processor (CL441 DSP) does indeed work with a volume control module. However, the summing device does not need the volume control. The one complaint many have is the output of the sum is sent out via a Hi Level output. Some aftermarket processors and/or amps have the ability to connect into their respective input. Otherwise, just hook up a hi-lo connected and you are good to go.

The JL Audio CL-SSI is consider on of the top summing devices to get a really clean signal. As previously mentioned before, the AudioControl LC7i and the ARC audio summing devices are another stand out piece of electronic. Each has it's own merits. The Audiocontrol LC7i gives you the additional advantage of restoring the bass frequencies, especially if you want to connect the output directly into the amp (your case will the sub woofer channel). The ARC Audio piece really give a truly clean signal at the audiophile level. This is handy when connecting to a top of line DSP Unit.

Based on the setup you want to go for, the will be no DSP for time alignment or any equalizing between the front and rear doors plus the sub. After you install everything and the sound does not meet your expectations, their is a way to correct it. Audison has a great DSP that does not cost that much (est $400.00 give or take). This way you do not have to go out and spend $800.00 or better on a full blown DSP Unit.

BIT TEN - Audison Multi-Function Signal Interface Digital Processor at Abt

IMO, it just question of how much money want to spend for a perfect system.

Best for now.
Okay So I'm trying to figure out the best way to Integrate my 2014 Overland's 8.4 AN with after market amps and speakers. I'm going to replace all the speakers except the back pillar speakers going to install a Jl stealth sub. SO whats the best way to go about this I want to be able to adjust the timing. Do i need to get both the Arc SPI and the bit 10 to do the job right? will the Arc restore the bass loss or does the bit 10 do that? I would like to be able to adjust the volume from stock locations not some aftermarket nob. Would just buying the bit 10D work better? or some other processor? From my understanding I need to get the signal from the tweeters, front mid base and sub Does the factory amp have separate wires for the tweeters? I looked at the wiring pdf and Didn't see wires for the tweeters except in the door. Also do I need to turn off surround on the Head unit to turn the factory DSP off ? I guess the wiring diagram linked in this post would be the same for the 2014? Sorry for all the questions just wanted to get it all in one post. Love this forum and its knowledgeable members. Thanks for all the info already posted in this thread
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