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I think I'm going to upgrade all the speakers first then see how that is and then look into an amp if that necessary. One of the biggest issues with the stock setup is the need to turn the sound up between 16-20 before and real highs or mids kick in if you want to really call it that for the stock setup.
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Old 12-01-2013, 11:51 PM
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I went and talked to an audio shop, they recommended doing an amp and processor as opposed to speakers if I were to choose one or the other/upgrade in steps. Would you guys agree? They also said that it would take about $1,500 otherwise it wouldn't really be worth it, even though I told them the stock system does 60-70% of what I want. I was hoping there'd be something that could be done with quality parts for less than that.
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Since you have the basic stock system, what are you doing for a subwoofer? That is the most important question right now. This will determine your upgrade path. Do you also want the Logic 7 integrated into the JGC via JBL's MS-8? Is installing a center channel speaker important to you?

The 2 problems that I have with the car audio shop's suggestion is, you can be locked into a certain configuration and if you want to change, you might be throwing out money later.

Many of us, including myself, are in favor of starting with speaker upgrades first. The key as stated before in this thread is to find a speaker that sounds to your liking with a sensitivity rating of 90db or greater. The reason is the internal factory power is limited. Therefore, a speaker of higher sensitivity rating will make use of the power resources and play to its best potential. Here is were the car shop is right. A speaker with a low rating of 85 db will sound terrible unless it has the right amount of power behind it (i.e. 75 watts rms).

The 2 problem I have with their recommendation is simple. The stocks in this and the 9 speaker system is nothing to write home about. You can put a nice SQ amp and hear all the bad stuff really come out. And the processor might not even clean it up correctly.

Most of my new speakers have low sensitivity ratings and I hooked that up to the internal amp and they did not sound that bad. Then again, this are high end speakers. But now with proper amps and proctoring behind them including Logic 7, it is a total different story. I am using Hybrid Audio Technology same as member BAKE, but their top of the line.

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Old 12-02-2013, 09:57 PM
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Re: Upgrading just the base speakers?

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Greetings,

Since you have the basic stock system, what are you doing for a subwoofer? That is the most important question right now. This will determine your upgrade path. Do you also want the Logic 7 integrated into the JGC via JBL's MS-8? Is installing a center channel speaker important to you?

The 2 problems that I have with the car audio shop's suggestion is, you can be locked into a certain configuration and if you want to change, you might be throwing out money later.

Many of us, including myself, are in favor of starting with speaker upgrades first. The key as stated before in this thread is to find a speaker that sounds to your liking with a sensitivity rating of 90db or greater. The reason is the internal factory power is limited. Therefore, a speaker of higher sensitivity rating will make use of the power resources and play to its best potential. Here is were the car shop is right. A speaker with a low rating of 85 db will sound terrible unless it has the right amount of power behind it (i.e. 75 watts rms).

The 2 problem I have with their recommendation is simple. The stocks in this and the 9 speaker system is nothing to write home about. You can put a nice SQ amp and hear all the bad stuff really come out. And the processor might not even clean it up correctly.

Most of my new speakers have low sensitivity ratings and I hooked that up to the internal amp and they did not sound that bad. Then again, this are high end speakers. But now with proper amps and proctoring behind them including Logic 7, it is a total different story. I am using Hybrid Audio Technology same as member BAKE, but their top of the line.

Best for now and happy holidays.
I'm not sure about the sub. I didn't realize how much of a difference it would make until I told them that at the shop and they showed me. I really don't want to give up any space though. My last car had two 8" subs under the front seats and I was happy with those. I mentioned this as well and they gave me the option of a small box that he could put velcro on so I could move it around if needed. I still didn't like the idea of giving up any space though. As for the speakers, any specific brands and models to look for? They recommended JL pretty strongly.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:10 PM
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JL audio makes a stealthbox and goes into the rear quarter panel and takes up no space. I run it and the SQ is perfect
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:26 PM
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JL audio makes a stealthbox and goes into the rear quarter panel and takes up no space. I run it and the SQ is perfect
I think I saw that in a recent post here, I'll have to find it again, even though I'd rather not even give that up.

ETA - found it, I'd rather not spend that much for just a sub, but thanks for the recommendation.
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As for the speakers, any specific brands and models to look for? They recommended JL pretty strongly.
Greetings,

I have heard a limit amount of JL Audio speakers. The do make very good mid bass and midrange drives that give a nice punch to it. I do know that they really like a sub woofer to go along with it. If you do not go with a sub woofer, then consider going with their 8 inch driver in the front to replace the 6x9. This way you can get a some decent lows with putting a strain on an 6 inch driver.

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I think I saw that in a recent post here, I'll have to find it again, even though I'd rather not even give that up. ETA - found it, I'd rather not spend that much for just a sub, but thanks for the recommendation.
Your not giving up anything. Lol. It replaces the factory panel. When installed it looks factory placed. It so worth the money. I have it and love it. I can send pics if wanted. You got to pay to play. Nothing is cheap. If you want cheap, it will look cheap.
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if you want just better sound quality, you can replace the factory speakers without having to upgrade the stock head unit or stock amp. your local audio shop should be able to give you some suggestions based on price and quality. i replaced my speakers without upgrading the factory amp or head unit and i'm very happy with my decision.
I'm with Bake and others here on speaker replacement and have replaced the fronts and rears.

3 weeks ago the fronts got replaced with Focal 165 KR2 splits. The tweeters fit perfectly (stock cover has to go). Needed some dynamat equiv to fill the gap created by replacing 6x9s with a 6.5. Didn't use the Focal crossovers as there are separate signals to tweeter and woofer from the stock amp.

Today I replaced the rears with Focal 165 KRC coaxials. The improvement in overall clarity is amazing. No more muddiness and good volume without having to wind the dial all the way to the right.

When I first got my Jeep I was convinced I'd be replacing all speakers and the sub plus adding LOCs and amps. But after today I reckon I'm done! I'll give it a few weeks but after a couple of hours cruising today I'm very happy with the result.
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I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind dropping $900+ on a set of components and powering them with the stock amp. Certainly not taking advantage of what a $900 pair of speakers can do.

For $900, you could properly amplify a pair of $250 components and they'd probably sound better/play louder.

The 165 KR2's have a sensitivity of 93db. Extremely good, but some Focals are rated at 93.7db for cheaper money...a seemingly better option when powering with a stock amp.
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I'm with Bake and others here on speaker replacement and have replaced the fronts and rears.

3 weeks ago the fronts got replaced with Focal 165 KR2 splits. The tweeters fit perfectly (stock cover has to go). Needed some dynamat equiv to fill the gap created by replacing 6x9s with a 6.5. Didn't use the Focal crossovers as there are separate signals to tweeter and woofer from the stock amp.

Today I replaced the rears with Focal 165 KRC coaxials. The improvement in overall clarity is amazing. No more muddiness and good volume without having to wind the dial all the way to the right.

When I first got my Jeep I was convinced I'd be replacing all speakers and the sub plus adding LOCs and amps. But after today I reckon I'm done! I'll give it a few weeks but after a couple of hours cruising today I'm very happy with the result.
AllyMac, did you find upgrading the rear coaxials made a positive difference? Also, do you have the front centre channel upgraded as well?
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I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind dropping $900+ on a set of components and powering them with the stock amp. Certainly not taking advantage of what a $900 pair of speakers can do.

For $900, you could properly amplify a pair of $250 components and they'd probably sound better/play louder.

The 165 KR2's have a sensitivity of 93db. Extremely good, but some Focals are rated at 93.7db for cheaper money...a seemingly better option when powering with a stock amp.
Like I said, the plan initially was to add a LOC and amp(s) as well as the speaker upgrade but it was always going to be a step at a time as you never know what difference a single change will make. Having replaced the fronts then the rears with Focals I'm extremely happy with the sound quality. And if I decide to add amps/sound processing at a later stage I know I've got quality end points. Yes I'm not taking advantage of the new components now but I have the capability to later if I so choose.
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AllyMac, did you find upgrading the rear coaxials made a positive difference? Also, do you have the front centre channel upgraded as well?
exlr8 - having driven around with just the fronts upgraded for 3 weeks, then doing the rears yesterday; yes they made a big difference. Didn't change the centre. I don't think it has any impact.
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