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Old 07-24-2013, 06:51 PM
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Awesome choices my friend and seeing that youre looking for good sound and spending that kind of money already, I highly recommend swapping out the Headunit. Will save you a lot of headache and some coin also because I almost Garauntee you'll do it in the end. I love my alpine unit. That being said i was the Nav was easier to navigate on it. Navigation isn't extremely important to me so its not a deal breaker. If it is for you look at the pioneer and kenwood units. If you have any other questions ask away ill be here to help. Good luck.
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

Yes, deff switch out the head unit. if you are willing to spend on going after market you will deff be surprised as to how much you gain. Yes, you'd lose functionality with OEM but I think I learned my lesson. I'm going aftermarket HU as well. here's my current setup which I hate so much.

Oh btw I have a 2012 JGC with shitty 9 speaker "premium (garbage)" alpine system, 430N RHB uconnect w/backup camera.

I first opted to do OEM enhancements due to my budget constraints at the time. I obviously needed a summing device, and since I'm a huge JL fan I opted for their solutions. I purchased the summing device and the cleansweep to clean the OEM sound. My brother in souther california is a Pheonix Gold distributor so I purchased a Pheonix Gold RX600.5 (I think that's the model I purchased, can't remember, but it's their new line of amps.) I have no doubt that the amp is incredible, but here are the main issues with doing OEM enhacements.
*I'm somewhat of a newb so correct me if I'm wrong in explaining these terms*
1) You have no other choice but to work downstream of the factory amp. You can't bypass the factory amp. It's digital and does the main processing at the amp level, not the HU level. >_<
2) I haven't heard any negative info on the LCi summing and processing and I should of went that route, I probably would of had better results, but the summing device from JL can't handle more than your conventional 5 channel system. Since the alpine system is 9 channels, you'd require a LCi6 or LCi8 I think, to properly sum all channels for a 5.1 setup. There is noticable delay and hissing with summing devices. A few of my buddies that use the LCi also report the same. Also, volume control is now managed through a nob from the cleansweep. Not to mention the cleansweep is somewhat difficult to calibrate *yes you need to calibrate the cleansweep.*
3) I opted to stick with the factory speakers, and obviously we all know that proper crossovers aren't used. Too much bass is sent to throughout all the speakers. Maybe some crossovers would of helped, but didn't want to spend time and money researching in that.

in other words, too much bs involved with OEM. yeah it looks cool, has many convenient functions (steering controls, bluetooth microphone in rear view mirror, etc.)

This is what I'm aiming for on aftermarket. I'm looking at the JVC KW-NSX600 or KW-NSX1. VERY cheap options and bang for your buck. excellent dacs, and that whole mirror link is the greatest feature ever. I'm sure all manufacturers have adapted mirror link. But this JVC head unit also includes app link, (mirror link is for andriod phones and i THINK blackberry's, app link is for iphone users). So in reality, choosing a aftermarker navigation system is obsolete, since your phone nav apps are always updated at no additional charge, and are better than aftermarket nav systems anyway. having google maps mirror'd on your head unit is awesome! Or motion gpsx from your iphone to the head unit, can't beat that. I don't care about losing the phone call controls on my steering wheel, at least with an adapter I can keep volume, next, back, etc controls. i don't care about the extra microphone repositioning, unless there's an adapter somewhere for the uconnect microphone array. you won't lose backup camera functionality as most aftermarket head units accept these inputs, even from OEM backup cameras (possibly through the use of an adapater, correct me if i'm wrong). My sub is a JL 10w3. I'll keep my pheonix gold amp for later use, but for now i'm going to remove the processing and summing and just stick to sub amplification. I purchased a JL XD300.1 amp which will be MORE than enough power. My personal opinion, JL subs sound INCREDIBLE, I've never need anything more than a 10" JL. But that's my opinion and preference. Eventually I'll be buying the JVC head unit (some people ask why JL? my bro knows peeps that distribute those units, so I receive distribution pricing :P ), a stealthbox, and either high end pheonix gold speakers for front and rear, or some high end JL's, haven't decided. But I'll get there.
Go aftermarket man, more flexibility and MUCH better audio, you won't regret it.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:15 AM
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

Moses,

Thanks for sharing your audio experience! Your testimonial and Leks66's have convinced me to do it right and start with the HU. And it makes sense, if you're looking for optimal sound it starts with the source (good analogy would be like playing a bad recording/CD on a great system...it'll only sound as good as the input).

I'm trying to source a few of the items in my build (Rainbows are a somewhat hard to come by) but I hope to start the build soon! Once you get that itch it's hard to ignore...
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

Does anyone know the maximum depth of the front woofer (door)? There's a set of components I can get for an amazing price but the woofer is 4" deep. I'm not sure I can fit it without major modifications. Curious if anyone took notice to this measurement as they were replacing their front mids.
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

So I'm getting closer to my build. Trying to secure the products this weekend. The Rainbows are a little hard to come. Apparently the company is updating their product lines so current inventory is low.

But good news is I found an authorized JL dealer willing to sell the JL HD 900/5 for $650 shipped (I had to price match). That's a great deal as Crutchfield sells it for $999. And it'll run my entire set up. Amp, done.

Still undecided on head unit though. Between an Alpine and Pioneer unit currently.
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Good deal on the amp. What sub you plan on using?
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Old 07-27-2013, 11:18 PM
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

Yeah it's a great deal on the 900/5. If anyone is the market for JL amps PM me for instructions how to bargain for them with authorized dealers.

As for the sub, I was leaning towards the IDQ 12" but today the shop said I might be able to fit an IDMAX. They'd have to open it up and see, but their fabricator said they might be able to pull it off. I'm thinking maybe a 10" IDMAX. Although I worry that I might be under powering the IDMAX with only 500 watts, so I may need to go with two amps. Decisions, decisions...
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

I had very similar components in my 2011
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Old 07-28-2013, 02:16 PM
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

Vantage, beautiful install! You're right, I'm looking at a very similar build. Different high end components but otherwise very similar. I really love Image Dynamics subs and am hoping they can fit and IDMAX in the custom enclosure.

Question for you, did you consider going the HD 900/5 route vs two amps? I too am considering the 600/4 and 750/1 route. It's about $300 more expensive but will provide a lot of headroom. It all depends if they can fit the IDMAX or not because if not, a IDQ only needs about 500 watts which the 900/5 will do just fine.

Going back to my original question, "what will I lose?", I think another feature I'll lose is the navigation turn signal on the EVIC. It'll flash "left turn ahead in 500 ft". Not a huge loss but I don't see the new system integrating with the EVIC, but I'm just guessing...
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

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Question for you, did you consider going the HD 900/5 route vs two amps?
I did consider the HD900/5, i just wanted more output in the sub channel. I've been using Image dynamic subs for over 10 years now including the ID, IDQ and IDMAX. I would not even consider anything else. People hear my truck and say what do you have 2 15's, then I show them i have 1 12 sealed and they cant believe it.

You will be very happy either way IDQ or Max. Both are amazing. JL subs are also very good, they are not better nor worth 3 times as much but they do fit in smaller boxes.
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

Ok I'm starting to rethink the head unit situation. I can get the Pioneer AVIC-Z140BH for $612. It used to retail for $1,200, but it's on fire sale because the newer Z150BH model is out. For ~$600 bucks I feel like I'd be remiss not to pick up such a capable head unit. I think other members have this head unit too and have generally liked it.
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Re: What will I lose with an after market head unit?

Pulled the trigger on the Pioneer AVIC-Z140BH. I'll create a separate build thread once I start the install, maybe as early as this weekend depending on how quickly I receive all the adapters and other parts.
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