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Re: 2014 Summit Front Tow Hooks

Tow hooks... The project that keeps on giving... This project is one of those that I should have thought a little more about before jumping in. I bought the tow hooks from Mopar thinking I would like the way they looked and functional. Sivermax gave me the background information to proceed on. I hope everyone enjoys my dismay of a good job going south....

Friday morning, jumped into taking off the front fascia. As Silvermax's instructions, a little challenging at first but once you understand how it is assembled, not that bad. I used Silvermax's photo's to cut out the holes in each side. Installing the hooks was a piece of cake with instructions. After re-assembling the front fascia, I remember someone else mentioning about how the hooks set back too far into the grill. The more I looked at it, the more I did not like it. Very tight conditions to access the hook since some of the hook is actually behind the fascia. So, me being the creative mind I am, decided to lengthen the hook so it would stick out further and be much more usable if ever needed.

This is where things headed south for me. The two hooks are made 3/4"x1" stock where the hook begins. So I decided to cut off and add 1 3/4" piece of steel and weld back together. Good plan I thought. So fired up the TIG welder and welded the extension in place. Feeling pretty good about now, figured I would test fit before grind and painting. Went to put the front end clip back on and now they are too long to be able to install. You have to be able to roll it up and under the upper fascia and once you have it started in place, you can't get enough slack to pull over the hooks. Now after lunch I am back to square one....

At this point I have decided that my original thoughts on adding a clevis (like on my CJ-5), was my best solution. This where my bad days goes further south... I had the steel but need some oxygen for cutting rig and almost empty on Argon for the TIG rig. I need to make about a 20 miles trip to get cylinders exchanged. The front fascia is off at this time and I thought I would check to make sure there was nothing hanging down and just take the Summit over to get the cylinders exchanged. I head out down the freeway by my house and get about 10 miles down the road and all of a sudden I get a Air Suspension System Fault, Service Immediately. Wow, brand new vehicle and now an issue. I also noticed the back of the Jeep was lower than the front and got very bouncy and rough.. Sure enough the rear air bags were deflated. Okay, this is a another bad event for today. I thought about it and remembered a Jeep dealer not far ahead. So stopped in to get them to check out what was going on. After waiting 20 minutes in line for service, service writer says we take care of you, just come in week from Monday ... So I told him that was not going to work.. At this point I decided I would cancel the trip and head back to the dealer where I bought my Jeep by my house. By the time I got there, it was about 3:00 PM. He hooked up computer and said the system had a fault on air suspension. I am thinking, you think (now have a low rider Jeep!!!.. Anyway, he said it would be Monday before getting someone to check out. So told him I was installing tow hooks and would finish this week end and bring in Monday morning.

So on the way home from the Dealer, I got to thinking, I hate to say this but I probably created this problem somehow. Got home and drove back up on the blocks, and started looking for a problem. I saw the air compressor is mounted in the right front wheel weld. Immediately I saw the problem. The cheesy wheel weld (cardboard covered carpet- something like that) was loose from the cover that is removed had flopped up against the tire going down the road. At this point it pretty much destroyed the lower half about a foot up. With that out of the way, apparently that wheel weld holds the air lines going to the air boots in place. Once that was gone, they could not go anywhere except right up against the tires. Needless to say, both the air lines going to the bad and rubbed in two... The air tubing looks like 1/4" just like on the my air hitch on the fifth wheel. So thinking, I just get a couple of unions and couple feet of tubing and should be able to fix this mess. Head up to auto parts store and I brought a piece of the tubing with hole in it for size check, sure enough Jeep tubing is slightly smaller than our standard 1/4" stuff we use here in America. So, now I really confused, get on the Internet and start searching and guess since the air pump is made in Germany, they use 6mm tubing. It is about .030" smaller than 1/4". Apparently no one in the US carries 6mm air tubing or fitting... ha ha...

Okay so now no tow hooks and air suspension is down... I read you can use the 1/4" compression fittings on 6mm tubing although not DOT certified but would crimp down enough to seal off. I thought that is my best solution for the time being till I can find some 6mm tubing and fittings or (called dealer) buy the hose harness ($110) that goes from the pump to the rear air bags. So ended up going this route for now till figure which way to go. I was hoping disconnecting the battery would reset the error on the computer but no such luck. So, will be at the dealer this morning getting that done. Hopefully will get the Jeep back to somewhat driveable....

Now Saturday and back to tow hook issue. My original idea was a piece of 1"x3" flat bar with radius end and use a clevis instead of tow hook. I like the clevis better and can be installed in few minutes when needed. Looking at the front of Jeep at the frame and the grill, the frame is actually couple inches wider than the grill insert. Anyway, my thoughts were, I would add a short piece of 2" box tubing receiver stock about 5" long. This would be welded to angle iron that would attach to the frame like the piece that came with the tow hook kit. Then another piece of angle to come across the front and go up to the support member. This would eliminate the long bolts and spacers that came in the tow hook kit. The box receiver will extend up to the inside of the grill insert. I will use a regular piece of 2"x2"x1/4" box tubing for the plate that will attach the clevis. This way I will have only a 2"x2" square hole in the new grill insert. Since modifying for the flat tow hooks, now the grill insert is beyond using and will require a replacement to look nice when finished. After several hours and cutting and fitting I finally got something that would work. I also what it offset to being couple more inches from the edge of the close to the center vertically.

Sunday, got both receivers test fitted and like the way they look. Don't know why it really matter since all of this work is hidden behind the grill... Anyway, had just enough Argon to weld both out. I primed and painted yesterday and will be ready to install today. I have not built the receiver side yet since will need Argon to complete. Main thing today is get the Jeep back drivable.. I am not much into low riders. I also can't imagine who would want to ride in a vehicle that is bouncing at every crack in the road ...

I did not feel up to pictures but will try to take some today if anyone is interested.

More to come....
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Tow hooks... The project that keeps on giving... This project is one of those that I should have thought a little more about before jumping in. I bought the tow hooks from Mopar thinking I would like the way they looked and functional. Sivermax gave me the background information to proceed on. I hope everyone enjoys my dismay of a good job going south....

Friday morning, jumped into taking off the front fascia. As Silvermax's instructions, a little challenging at first but once you understand how it is assembled, not that bad. I used Silvermax's photo's to cut out the holes in each side. Installing the hooks was a piece of cake with instructions. After re-assembling the front fascia, I remember someone else mentioning about how the hooks set back too far into the grill. The more I looked at it, the more I did not like it. Very tight conditions to access the hook since some of the hook is actually behind the fascia. So, me being the creative mind I am, decided to lengthen the hook so it would stick out further and be much more usable if ever needed.

This is where things headed south for me. The two hooks are made 3/4"x1" stock where the hook begins. So I decided to cut off and add 1 3/4" piece of steel and weld back together. Good plan I thought. So fired up the TIG welder and welded the extension in place. Feeling pretty good about now, figured I would test fit before grind and painting. Went to put the front end clip back on and now they are too long to be able to install. You have to be able to roll it up and under the upper fascia and once you have it started in place, you can't get enough slack to pull over the hooks. Now after lunch I am back to square one....

At this point I have decided that my original thoughts on adding a clevis (like on my CJ-5), was my best solution. This where my bad days goes further south... I had the steel but need some oxygen for cutting rig and almost empty on Argon for the TIG rig. I need to make about a 20 miles trip to get cylinders exchanged. The front fascia is off at this time and I thought I would check to make sure there was nothing hanging down and just take the Summit over to get the cylinders exchanged. I head out down the freeway by my house and get about 10 miles down the road and all of a sudden I get a Air Suspension System Fault, Service Immediately. Wow, brand new vehicle and now an issue. I also noticed the back of the Jeep was lower than the front and got very bouncy and rough.. Sure enough the rear air bags were deflated. Okay, this is a another bad event for today. I thought about it and remembered a Jeep dealer not far ahead. So stopped in to get them to check out what was going on. After waiting 20 minutes in line for service, service writer says we take care of you, just come in week from Monday ... So I told him that was not going to work.. At this point I decided I would cancel the trip and head back to the dealer where I bought my Jeep by my house. By the time I got there, it was about 3:00 PM. He hooked up computer and said the system had a fault on air suspension. I am thinking, you think (now have a low rider Jeep!!!.. Anyway, he said it would be Monday before getting someone to check out. So told him I was installing tow hooks and would finish this week end and bring in Monday morning.

So on the way home from the Dealer, I got to thinking, I hate to say this but I probably created this problem somehow. Got home and drove back up on the blocks, and started looking for a problem. I saw the air compressor is mounted in the right front wheel weld. Immediately I saw the problem. The cheesy wheel weld (cardboard covered carpet- something like that) was loose from the cover that is removed had flopped up against the tire going down the road. At this point it pretty much destroyed the lower half about a foot up. With that out of the way, apparently that wheel weld holds the air lines going to the air boots in place. Once that was gone, they could not go anywhere except right up against the tires. Needless to say, both the air lines going to the bad and rubbed in two... The air tubing looks like 1/4" just like on the my air hitch on the fifth wheel. So thinking, I just get a couple of unions and couple feet of tubing and should be able to fix this mess. Head up to auto parts store and I brought a piece of the tubing with hole in it for size check, sure enough Jeep tubing is slightly smaller than our standard 1/4" stuff we use here in America. So, now I really confused, get on the Internet and start searching and guess since the air pump is made in Germany, they use 6mm tubing. It is about .030" smaller than 1/4". Apparently no one in the US carries 6mm air tubing or fitting... ha ha...

Okay so now no tow hooks and air suspension is down... I read you can use the 1/4" compression fittings on 6mm tubing although not DOT certified but would crimp down enough to seal off. I thought that is my best solution for the time being till I can find some 6mm tubing and fittings or (called dealer) buy the hose harness ($110) that goes from the pump to the rear air bags. So ended up going this route for now till figure which way to go. I was hoping disconnecting the battery would reset the error on the computer but no such luck. So, will be at the dealer this morning getting that done. Hopefully will get the Jeep back to somewhat driveable....

Now Saturday and back to tow hook issue. My original idea was a piece of 1"x3" flat bar with radius end and use a clevis instead of tow hook. I like the clevis better and can be installed in few minutes when needed. Looking at the front of Jeep at the frame and the grill, the frame is actually couple inches wider than the grill insert. Anyway, my thoughts were, I would add a short piece of 2" box tubing receiver stock about 5" long. This would be welded to angle iron that would attach to the frame like the piece that came with the tow hook kit. Then another piece of angle to come across the front and go up to the support member. This would eliminate the long bolts and spacers that came in the tow hook kit. The box receiver will extend up to the inside of the grill insert. I will use a regular piece of 2"x2"x1/4" box tubing for the plate that will attach the clevis. This way I will have only a 2"x2" square hole in the new grill insert. Since modifying for the flat tow hooks, now the grill insert is beyond using and will require a replacement to look nice when finished. After several hours and cutting and fitting I finally got something that would work. I also what it offset to being couple more inches from the edge of the close to the center vertically.

Sunday, got both receivers test fitted and like the way they look. Don't know why it really matter since all of this work is hidden behind the grill... Anyway, had just enough Argon to weld both out. I primed and painted yesterday and will be ready to install today. I have not built the receiver side yet since will need Argon to complete. Main thing today is get the Jeep back drivable.. I am not much into low riders. I also can't imagine who would want to ride in a vehicle that is bouncing at every crack in the road ...

I did not feel up to pictures but will try to take some today if anyone is interested.

More to come....
Wow cant wait to see what it looks like when you are finished, please keep us updated would be great to see your pictures of it. Sounds like you will have a nice setup there.

Agree, putting the hooks on without modifying length or anything does leave them a tight fit but are usable. TheSchwenkster did a good job with pictures showing what will fit at link below. Recovery Strap -yes, Tow Hook -yes, D-ring -no or at least the D-rings i have are a no. they are good enough for that rare emergency but if you are doing more serious off roading where you frequently get stuck probably good to have better access. I just want them for that "just incase" on the beach or back road camping, hopefully i will never make use of them

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Continuing on...... I went over to the dealer this morning trying to get my suspension back online... The old saying, "This ain't your daddy's Jeep is so true with the new ones... I restored my 1981 CJ-5 from the ground up and I know every inch of that Jeep.. On the other hand, my 2014 Summit is a creature of another kind.... First order of business at the dealer, the cardboard wheel welds were $60 each... If you look at them, about $5 each is probably what it cost them.. Next is the grille insert. Got it ordered and afraid to ask what it cost. I know I heard about $50 on the Jeep site. Next, they hooked up computer and flashed a couple of updates.. Then the fun started...I talked to the tech about what I had done. He understood and said good plan except will not work... I am sure a lot of you guys know this but I was in the dark... The suspension system is not air, it is Nitrogen filled like the tires now days. This changes the ball game. It also has a Nitrogen bottle behind the back seat in front of the spare tire area in the floor. It is the reservoir for holding the nitrogen charge. It has a constant pressure then the pump just builds up the pressure for the elevated lift modes. He said he could clear the computer but would require a purge, vacuum, and refill of Nitrogen. I assume about $100 charge. He said he could not warrant for leaks after it leaves the dealer. So, the 3-hose harness going from the front to the rear is $101. The cost of the harness and filling was not bad, the cost (labor) is what gets you. He knocked off 2 hours because the front clip (fascia) is off and save him labor since he would have to remove anyway. So, total for new harness, fill system and labor will run about $700. Wow, this tow hook deal is getting expensive.. I decided to keep the warranty in effect, it was best to bite the bullet and do it right. I drove the Jeep back home and will drop off Thursday morning (harness needing ordering). Hopefully will then get everything back to normal.

I also mentioned to the dealer, that the design is really not that great considering you could pick up a object with the tire, have a tread separation, or other road hazard that would take out the cheesy cardboard weld. Once it is tore out, the nitrogen lines are exposed and can rub the tire. In a way I felt they should take care of it but really it was my fault driving and not tying off the bottom section from flapping in the breeze. I would strongly suggest to all my Jeep guys that have this system to take a look at it on your Jeep.. The least would be to use some tie-wraps to keep it from popping out and hitting the tire. I am strongly thing about a piece of aluminum plate between the cardboard weld and the pump lines to make sure this never happens again.... Being on the trail out in the boonies, loosing the nitrogen system could be a real pain....

Tomorrow will get back on the removable 2" square tubing for the clevis plate. Will take some pictures tomorrow... I ended up taking my International Workstar (toy hauler) truck across town and got the Argon and Oxygen swapped out this afternoon so will be ready to cut and weld again.....
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Holy headache! Glad it is going to work out. Very interested in seeing some pictures and how it turns out!


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Wow cant wait to see what it looks like when you are finished, please keep us updated would be great to see your pictures of it. Sounds like you will have a nice setup there.

Agree, putting the hooks on without modifying length or anything does leave them a tight fit but are usable. TheSchwenkster did a good job with pictures showing what will fit at link below. Recovery Strap -yes, Tow Hook -yes, D-ring -no or at least the D-rings i have are a no. they are good enough for that rare emergency but if you are doing more serious off roading where you frequently get stuck probably good to have better access. I just want them for that "just incase" on the beach or back road camping, hopefully i will never make use of them

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Just a follow up and correction to what I said above about D-rings. D-rings do fit on this setup even though things are a little tight. You just need to have the correct D-ring, below is the one I found that will fit and work.

http://www.amazon.com/Chain-Rigging-.../dp/B00DX61UBG
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It just keeps on getting better.... Came home yesterday and A/C was off and it is about 93 degrees outside (Katy, Texas). House is about 85 and rising... Call my A/C guy out and said compressor has taken a dump. We have been expecting it to go out about a year.. Anyway was very happy to have our 40' Toy Hauler. It is stored in my shop so A/C's went on when I got home yesterday... House was 89 degrees when we went to bed in the Toy Hauler (nice and chilly 73 degrees). So we had a good night even with the house air out. Guy is coming out this morning to replace unit... Back to the Jeep... Will take in this morning for the hose harness replacement and nitrogen refill... Hopefully will have the Jeep back this afternoon and drivable again.

I did get to work on the tow hooks yesterday and shot a couple pictures. Will see if I can post here.. I got the 1"x3" flat bar cut out and hole punched for the clevis attachment. It is almost ready to tack on the square plate in the pictures. It will stick out about 4" total from center of the square plate. It is cut on an angle so it is parallel to the ground. It will stick out about an 1" in front of the furthest point on the grill. Will get some pictures today once I get it tacked up. I have two options on what I am going to do for a finish. The tow hook receiver would look really good if chromed I think. If I leave them in all the time the chrome route would be nice. The other option is to paint black to blend into the grille. I am thinking I would put in a hitch cover (flat) in each receiver box for normal driving around then put the tow hook in where we head for the mountains. Guess the cost of chrome plating will decide which route to go. The new grill will be in hopefully tomorrow. It should be easy now to cut the hole. The receiver box just touches the backside of the grille so I can scribe the outline then remove to cut out the 2"x2" hole. Should be a clean look not seeing the cutout when either hitch cover or tow hook is installed. As you can see I pretty much murdered the existing grille after changing from the factory hook setup to receiver. Looks like that picture of the cut out did not make the download for some reason. Will get it on new posting....

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Update on the Jeep... Called the Jeep dealer about 4:00 yesterday to see if the Jeep was ready... Sorry to say, the job has grown larger than they expected. The guy doing the work said he had never replaced the hose harness and was not sure what all was involved, he estimated 5.5 hours. After talking yesterday, it is quiet a bit more. I guess the good news is they will only charge time they estimated (5.5 hours) regardless of how long it ends up taking.. They said hopefully today but he has other scheduled appointments as well as mine.. Not for sure how that affects it since you need to complete one job and then move on to me... It also sounding like the way that harness is ran, you need to remove alot of the interior.. Probably one of those items installed before wiring and interior is put in on the line. I think this is a good reason to make sure those hoses are protected so you don't have to worry in the future about getting screwed up from a tire issue....

With the A/C being worked on yesterday, did not make it into the shop to work on hooks. I work only 4 hours on Friday so should get them welded out this afternoon. Got the A/C up and running about 2:00 and was cooling down the house. I noticed about 5:00 that the temperature was going up and not down. Started looking at it and compressor was not running and thermostat was saying "Waiting on Equipment". It is one of those smart ones from Honeywell. Called the A/C guy back out and ended up being the 24 volt transformer has went out.. Anyway, house was cool this morning when I left. Hopefully one issue is resolved....

Also called yesterday about the skid plates I had ordered from Factory Chrysler Parts in Georgia. They told me they had cancelled the order. I ask why, and they said they had too many issues with shipping. UPS apparently has trashed out several orders and they decided going to Houston was too far and not worth selling. So guess I am back to square one on skid plates. Will probably talk to parts guy at where they are working on Jeep and see if he will come close to matching prices on Internet...

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WOW! that looks incredible.
You need to send your design to a plant in china and make some for us Summit owners. I'd buy 'em!

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It just keeps on getting better.... Came home yesterday and A/C was off and it is about 93 degrees outside (Katy, Texas). House is about 85 and rising... Call my A/C guy out and said compressor has taken a dump. We have been expecting it to go out about a year.. Anyway was very happy to have our 40' Toy Hauler. It is stored in my shop so A/C's went on when I got home yesterday... House was 89 degrees when we went to bed in the Toy Hauler (nice and chilly 73 degrees). So we had a good night even with the house air out. Guy is coming out this morning to replace unit... Back to the Jeep... Will take in this morning for the hose harness replacement and nitrogen refill... Hopefully will have the Jeep back this afternoon and drivable again.

I did get to work on the tow hooks yesterday and shot a couple pictures. Will see if I can post here.. I got the 1"x3" flat bar cut out and hole punched for the clevis attachment. It is almost ready to tack on the square plate in the pictures. It will stick out about 4" total from center of the square plate. It is cut on an angle so it is parallel to the ground. It will stick out about an 1" in front of the furthest point on the grill. Will get some pictures today once I get it tacked up. I have two options on what I am going to do for a finish. The tow hook receiver would look really good if chromed I think. If I leave them in all the time the chrome route would be nice. The other option is to paint black to blend into the grille. I am thinking I would put in a hitch cover (flat) in each receiver box for normal driving around then put the tow hook in where we head for the mountains. Guess the cost of chrome plating will decide which route to go. The new grill will be in hopefully tomorrow. It should be easy now to cut the hole. The receiver box just touches the backside of the grille so I can scribe the outline then remove to cut out the 2"x2" hole. Should be a clean look not seeing the cutout when either hitch cover or tow hook is installed. As you can see I pretty much murdered the existing grille after changing from the factory hook setup to receiver. Looks like that picture of the cut out did not make the download for some reason. Will get it on new posting....

More to come...
Looks good! you do some nice metal work. so what was the final price on getting the lift system recharged?
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Re: 2014 Summit Front Tow Hooks

Here is a picture of the hooks with an acceptable size D-ring that fits fine in the setup that you can get a recovery strap around if needed

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