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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

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Great writeup +rep!

BTW how do thicker sway links result in increased performance? That question is for anyone not necessarily just the OP. Aren't we essentially just replacing the same exact product with a much thicker one. I'm not to sure how it equates to better corner else the original links fail and break due to them being weaker; both should be doing the same exact task if together?
While the previous post answered it somewhat I disagree the thickness of the linkage has anything to do with perceived performance improvements. All of the improvements can be traced to the harness of the bushing material in the upgraded link. It would seem that the factory linkage uses a rubber mounted ball joint and could be brought up to the same "spec" by replacing the cushioning material with a higher durometer rating (harder material). Another alternative that would probably not require any drilling would be using heim joints such as this part



Since the sway bar and the control arms are already rubber isolated from the frame I doubt there would be any increase in NVH.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

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While the previous post answered it somewhat I disagree the thickness of the linkage has anything to do with perceived performance improvements. All of the improvements can be traced to the harness of the bushing material in the upgraded link. It would seem that the factory linkage uses a rubber mounted ball joint and could be brought up to the same "spec" by replacing the cushioning material with a higher durometer rating (harder material). Another alternative that would probably not require any drilling would be using heim joints such as this part

Since the sway bar and the control arms are already rubber isolated from the frame I doubt there would be any increase in NVH.
You're stating that Thickness of the Link does have a factor? I stated thickness does NOT have a factor. The loads don't require a thicker link.
Otherwise, I think we said the same thing... but since the Bwoody is our only available option, it's accepted to receive the other designed gains.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

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You're stating that Thickness of the Link does have a factor? I stated thickness does NOT have a factor. The loads don't require a thicker link.
Otherwise, I think we said the same thing... but since the Bwoody is our only available option, it's accepted to receive the other designed gains.
Oops, I misread you post..... Agreed, the thickness of the link itself is not a factor IMHO and we do agree. In a previous thread some were harping on the thickness being the reason for it's improvement, that's what I was referring to.

Here's another picture of the spherical linkage used on sports cars.

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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

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Oops, I misread you post..... Agreed, the thickness of the link itself is not a factor IMHO and we do agree. In a previous thread some were harping on the thickness being the reason for it's improvement, that's what I was referring to.

Here's another picture of the spherical linkage used on sports cars.
Sweet, that's the style I would prefer to have installed!
It's faster to install, and you can make minor adj to tension preload.

Thanks for the photos...
Can ya get us those links for the WK2!
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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

Yup, as you both noted the thinkness of the link does not effect the ride, it's all in the bushings. My only guess for the size increase is to make it appear more like an upgrade, but it could also be precautionary because the sway links are now under more stress then they were stock.

The spherical linkage would do the exact same thing but after seeing how much the rubber based BWoody links tighten things up I think the metal links would be overkill and not worth the possible risk of additional NVH.

I am absolutely loving this upgrade - even more so after having more time behind the wheel since install. The reduction in body roll is very noticeable when driving and not just when taking hard corners. I can feel the difference in almost every turn I make. Not only that, but when going over speed bumps the suspension feels much more solid/tight with no change at all in driving comfort, just a more sure footed feeling on the road.

This is going to sound crazy but I think the Jeep now has less body roll in corners than my 2001.5 Audi S4.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

^ I agree with the above impressions. I even think it took some of the twitchy (undefined I know) feeling out of the steering I had felt before. I would definitely do this mod again without hesitation now that I have more miles behind me with the links installed.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

Body roll= Left to right movement when taking corners and/or going over bumps in the road? Kind of throws you around in the Jeep. After driving for a while thats the only thing I would like improved if this is what I am questioning and the bwoody links would help improve?

Thanks to all for the input on the links discussion as well its very informing.
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Body roll= Left to right movement when taking corners and/or going over bumps in the road?
Yes, the upgraded links help keep the body of the jeep nice and flat around corners. Don't expect it to handle like a porsche but the difference over stock is very noticeable.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

My impressions thus far, in order of magnitude for improved handling from the Bwoody Links:

1) Highly noticeable when changing lanes at moderate or slow speeds. There is little to no lag or tipping to the opposite corner of the direction change.

2) Very noticeable at moderate speeds in the turns, including hairpins and cloverleafs. Very noticeable at higher speed in the uphill hairpins.

3) Moderately improved downhill hairpins at speed. This is where the physics of the big beast's GVW and top heaviness just cannot be overcome, and the pole vault feeling to the outside of the turn is unavoidable at speed.

So far, no restrictions on vertical suspension compliance, though I haven't yet flexed it hard off road since the links went in.

Overall, the Bwoody Links are a tremendous upgrade IMO.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links Install w/Pics & Impressions

MY last jeep was an XJ, so solid axles.

Do WK people disconnect their front sway bar?

I would purchase these only if they were quick disconnect.
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On the sway bar links, 90 ft lbs on the bolts doesn't seem like a lot is this correct? To give it some play?
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On the sway bar links, 90 ft lbs on the bolts doesn't seem like a lot is this correct? To give it some play?
90 ft lbs. is the standard spec for a bolt this size so yes, that number sounds correct. The amount of torque should have no effect on "play" if the bushing is designed correctly meaning it has an inner sleeve that's wider then the linkage housing to allow the bolt to capture the bushing without contacting the linkage allowing the "rubber" part of the bushing to be isolated from the linkage. The whole purpose of this is to eliminate "play" and 90 ft lb's means the proper amount of pressure is being applied to the threads on the bolt to prevent distortion while minimizing the possibility the nut will loosen over time. Don't confuse this number with any of the weights the linkage encounters, those are two entirely different forces.
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