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Old 01-02-2012, 09:12 PM
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Thank you Milous,

That helped really. So it is fact that just reprogramming will not help. I have to do both, wire the Body Backup Light Bulb to the TIP (or front blinkers) and reprogram the car to separate the brake from the turn signal (or get a wire from the 3rd brake light).

I improved my diagram (witch is a combination of export and domestic models, red is only export, blue is the domestic only, black is both).

Milous, can you post the wiring diagram for the export version as well? Thank you very much.

The headlight washer diagram is very useful as well. Great to get so much help. I will write everything together finally for everybody.

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Re: Euro specifications?

I have a US spec GC Laredo X, 3.6 that I used in the US before moving to Sweden. Different EU countries have different rules on what needs to be modified, but as long that I could prove it had been used for personal reasons, and owned by me in the US, there was little that needed to be changed. I did not need to fix the headlight washers for example. Wrt the taillights and turn signals, I did have to add side turn signals as well as a splitter for the taillights. The splitter does exactly that, splits the signal of the break light. The shop that did this specializes in US cars for Euro conversion. Was about a day in the shop. The splitter is an existing product that can be purchased, but I would assume that they have this skill in Germany as well. As the US spec taillights have 2 lamps for reversing, they took the outer bulb and fitted an orange turnsignal bulb in that place instead, which is exactly how the real Euro spec GC has it. Cost me about $1200 to get it all done.
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Old 01-03-2012, 09:19 PM
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Thanks for those hints, that is really helpful. There are some shops in Germany doing this as well, but my experience (with a Mustang) is not the best. It is like every time, there are good ones and bad ones. Difficult is to find the good ones. So I prefer to do most things myself (if I can) which is also a kind of hobby. Having that said sometimes there has to work an expert on it. Anyway in both cases I want to know what and how to do it.

The splitter is an excellent idea, you don't know the name and brand?

Great that you don't need the washers, I don't want to install them as i find the pretty useless but it's the law as with a couple of other things (tow eye in the front bumper, white parking lights, rear fog light independent from front fogs, certified hitch, etc). So it's quite an interesting hobby, isn't it.

So any hint and support is greatly appreciated and I will provide a couple How To's to the forum back.

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Re: Euro specifications?

I'm going to the place that made the adjustments on the 12th, so I'll ask them about the make of the splitter. The parking ligts is also the law in Sweden, so on my GC they've put 2 LED bars (very tiny) in the lower end of the front. Once it passes inspection I know most folks here take them off:-), to put them back on again 2 years later when the next inspection is...

Sorry that I can't be of quicker assistance, but I'll be sure to ask on the 12th of January.
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Re: Euro specifications?

Thank you very much, take your time... I found a kind of splitter here http://www.etrailer.com/Tow-Bars/Curt/C56196.html

Not sure if that's what you have, so let's find out. I assume that the rear blinkers are a little bit delayed? Are there any messages in EVIC appearing related to changed configuration?

I had the idea with the front parking lights as well, but found out that the state inspection every 24 months doesn't count against the opinion of the German police. I had an inspection approved modification but the police was convinced it is wrong so I had to remove it there. Finally found out that it was 'interpretable' and both parties had different perspectives.

Back to the topic, I found out that the garages in Germany that were recommended to me mainly put a wire from the front blinkers to back, install a relais to avoid damage of the TIP. Pending if there is a bulb surveillance they put some resistors on the end of the cut off wires.
The splitter would make things a lot easier. Anyone some experience with it?

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Re: Euro specifications?

There is zero delay and no problems with the EVIC.
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Re: Euro specifications?

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See attached PDF.
Thanks to Milous , this is very helpful. We had a very fruitful PM exchange and the summary is, despite that it is quite difficult to get the European wiring:

I used this page http://dto.vftis.com/mopar/main.asp as base for my handsketche wiring diagram. However, that is quite unsatisfieying because you might miss a connector or circuit because you don't have the 'big picture'. Therefore Milouos drawings are very very helpful.


From my knowledge, the export models have a different connection on C1 and C2 on the taillight assembly;
C1/A3 becomes L50 (Brake signal) instead of L63 (Turn/Brake signal)
C2/B2 becomes L63 (Turn signal) instead of L1 (backup light)


That said,
there has to be a coding necessary;
a) Remove Brake Signal from L63 (Turn/Brake in US)

And a different harness;
b) C1/A3 to TIPM C5/8 (?) for L50 (Brake signal)
c) C2/B2 to TIPM C7/49 for L63


While
a) shouldn't be a problem,
b) can be done with removing the wire of C1/A3 from TIPM C7/49 to TIPM C5/8
c) requires rewiring from TIPM C7/49 to C2/B2. There is a possibility to ease that (make the connection earlier) pending on where the connection to the backup lights in the liftgate is.

So far the status.

mputnik's splitter looks to be also a very promising way to resolve the issue. So I am very curious on what it is. Only concern would be if it sucks to much power from the TIPM outlets and will damage it in the long run. I would think that's quite expensive.

An example to clarify what I mean;
- Inputs Splitter: Left/Brake, Right/Brake, Ground
- Outputs Splitter: Left, Right, Brake
Scenario: Turn left and brake
- US: Left Turn/Brake Light blinks, right Turn/Brake light on
- Splitter: Left Turn Light blinks, Left & Right Brake lights are on
While in the US both TIPM outlets (C7/49 & C7/50) work as designed and deliver the power in their limits, with the splitter, the right brake TIPM outlet (C7/50)has to support two bulbs a 21w for both brake lights because the turn signal goes seperate. So it has to provide twice the power it's designed for.
Only solution would be to use a relais for the power and only use the original lines to steer it.

That's science

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Re: Euro specifications?

How did you cope with the even radio frequencies in europe while in the US the Radio will seek only odd radio bands ?
Looking a solution for this, as I exported a Laredo US version to Israel.
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There is a company doing this http://www.customtronix.com/. I heard in other forums it's about 500,- Euros. However, I haven't found the 430 in their website. It's to new apparently, so I have to wait or by a European version
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Re: Euro specifications?

Suther, did you notice this company also offers the rear light splitter for which you were looking?
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No, but thanks for the info, I will have a closer look.
I just found out that they only do Harman Becker. So no 430 conversion.
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Re: Euro specifications?

I am definitely staying tuned to this discussion...I have always preferred Amber Turn signals at ALL 4 corners (as opposed to Red in rear & Amber in front)...but here in US, they tend to cheap out (I've seen earlier model year of a vehicle with Ambers, then next MY they change them to Red...makes no sense, other than penny-pinching).

That said my next high priority mods are all lighting-related...

- Amber rear blinker conversion (cuz its safer than Red, more noticeable)
- Rear lower Fog Lamp install (for bad weather)
- Aux Stealth Fog Lamps (yellow) in Tow Hook holes of Front Air Dam (bad fog here at times, makes you feel like you're flying in the clouds instead of on road)...figure better use than Tow Hooks.
- LED DRL strip for Headlight or Bumper (custom install)...timeframe TBD (gotta do mock-ups in Photoshop first, to make to look right)
- Phantom LED dual Amber/Clear warning lights F & R glass (for Hurricane Disaster Response during storms)

...other mods planned for later down the road, but those above are priority right now.
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