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Old 03-03-2015, 06:49 PM
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

They make cheap faraday pouches for phone and other small electronics. They would absolutely block the proximity keys.

http://www.usplastic.com/mobile/item...fynaaqodv6uaew

If you google faraday bag or faraday pouch there are lots of options.

I think the small faraday bag in the hitch safe would be the way to go. Just putting the key in the hitch safe alone wouldn't degrade the RF signal enough.

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The valet key sits inside the key fob. It is the metal section and released by sliding a release tab.
You have that backwards: the metal key inside the fob is the emergency key. You use that to lock your glove compartment, keep that with you, and you give the fob (with the emergency key removed) to the valet. This way the valet can drive the Jeep, lock and unlock the doors, but cannot access the contents of the glove box.

To restate: the fob itself is "the valet key", per the manual:
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The emergency key is also for locking the glove box. You can keep the emergency key with you when valet parking.
This is also why the key ring attachment is to the emergency key rather than the fob... that design allows you to quickly detach the fob and hand it to the valet without needing to mess with your key ring.
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Old 03-19-2015, 02:27 AM
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

Electronic Key fob, used for activating such things as remote keyless entry systems on motor vehicles (Wikipedia).

Just to clarify - I am trying to take a key with me when partaking in water sports. Hence, no electronic FOB to get wet. I would like to lock up the Jeep and get wet. So far I am using a watertight bag to keep the FOB dry (fingers crossed).
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

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Electronic Key fob, used for activating such things as remote keyless entry systems on motor vehicles (Wikipedia).

Just to clarify - I am trying to take a key with me when partaking in water sports. Hence, no electronic FOB to get wet. I would like to lock up the Jeep and get wet. So far I am using a watertight bag to keep the FOB dry (fingers crossed).

Another method is remove valet key, wrap fob in aluminium foil and place in back door pocket or somewhere else like under back seat. Then lock doors with button on drivers door, shut door and then re-lock drivers door with valet key
Take valet key out on water with you . Secure it with lanyard inn pocket of wetsuit or whatever relevant water sport equipment you are using.
Safe as you wont damage the key fob but if the foil and location is not correct then doors might open.

Have tested this at dealers, will check locations to put key fob and how effective once I get the new JGC.

Key fobs are common problem for water sports. Would be great for manufacturers to use pin code entry or similar.
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Old 04-01-2015, 10:54 PM
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

Still not there.

When the doors are locked using the door switch the alarm is also activated. After the exit delay period, the vehicle is armed and CANNOT be disarmed with anything other than the electronic FOB. Using the valet key will unlock the door but will also set off the alarm.
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Old 04-01-2015, 11:14 PM
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

GOT IT !!!

The aluminium foil wrapping is agreed to be the best radio shield to disable to electronic FOB for this process. Metal cases are not effective enough.

The only way to have it work:

1 - Wrap/hide the FOB inside.

2 - Sit inside (driver's door must be closed) then press the lock doors button on the drivers door.

3 - Open the driver's door using the handle and exit

4 - Closed the driver's door and lock using the valet key

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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

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GOT IT !!!

The aluminium foil wrapping is agreed to be the best radio shield to disable to electronic FOB for this process. Metal cases are not effective enough.

The only way to have it work:

1 - Wrap/hide the FOB inside.

2 - Sit inside (driver's door must be closed) then press the lock doors button on the drivers door.

3 - Open the driver's door using the handle and exit

4 - Closed the driver's door and lock using the valet key


Good on ya' Mozzie! Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

Thanks again to Mozzie for these steps, I use them often.

I went to a local locksmith and got some metal copies made. I sometimes keep the fob inside and bring a metal copy with me instead of pulling the fob apart. I have also hidden one copy on the JGC, just in case. Even if I don't have the fob, or it doesn't work, I can at least enter the car and wait inside if need be.

Also, I was at a car wash once and the worker locked a lady's key in her car. She was hosed, until she either called AAA or a locksmith.

And maybe it's the military in me, always wanting a backup, but I am seriously considering getting another fob and keeping that inside, always. My wife keeps the second key, and she may misplace or lose it. And here's a possible scenario: if I fall into water or a pool, or if I need to jump in to save some kid, I don't want to stop and think of what's in my pockets (well, shoot, my phone is there...).

Besides, I don't fully trust these electronic locks. They sometimes unlock spontaneously. If they ever lock spontaneously,
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

I did jump into the lake with my fob in my pocket, it still works great. I noticed pretty quickly but I think they built it to be somewhat robust. I tossed it in my boat and by the time I needed to get in the Jeep it was fine. Been working well since.


I think the faraday bag in the hitch safe is the best idea. Lock the Jeep at the door, place in bag, lock in hitch, done.
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

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I did jump into the lake with my fob in my pocket, it still works great. I noticed pretty quickly but I think they built it to be somewhat robust. I tossed it in my boat and by the time I needed to get in the Jeep it was fine. Been working well since.


I think the faraday bag in the hitch safe is the best idea. Lock the Jeep at the door, place in bag, lock in hitch, done.
Most simple electronics aren't hurt by being submerged in plain water. The two issues are:

1) AC powered devices that could short out - which is not an issue with most simple battery devices. DC devices are a little more forgiving with crossed contacts and shorts.

2) Battery damage from water that leaches into the battery cell itself - which can be an issue with a fob.

3) Corrosion on the circuit boards and connections from contact with water, especially salt water.

My advice, should you happen to get tossed into a lake or pool with your key fob in your pocket is to do the following to ensure damage won't occur:

1) Open the fob in a dry place and allow any water inside to drain.

2) Remove the battery immediately after opening the fob to ensure no damage can occur to the radio components or the battery itself.

3) Especially in the case of salt water, flush the board and button contacts with either distilled water or isopropyl alcohol to remove any corrosive elements. Even with lake, pool or toilet water, it's best to rinse off minerals and chemicals that can have long term effects on the electronics of the fob.
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Re: Place to hide your keys/external lockbox options?

i used to have a 14 cherokee trailhawk and could put the fob inside the bottom plastic trim by the front right wheel. it would be far enough away to not let door unlock. i have 13 optima that i put it inside fuel door and door wont unlock. havent checked my new gc th yet. ive always said the fob should have an on off switch so you could hide it inside. every pushbutton car ive had will let the car start if it is anywhere inside.
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