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Old 12-17-2014, 05:29 PM
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Re: THIS is why you do your first oil change early

I agree with the OP.

Several years ago I built a home (I'm a contractor) for the R&D head of Ethyl Oil. Ethyl Oil is one of two manufacturers who make the additives for all the major oil companies. He had about 50 Phd's working for him testing various fluid properties etc.

When I was buying my first Porsche I asked him what I should do to help insure the engines longevity. He went into a 30 minute presentation about what happens in a new engine (any engine) and the bottom line was that you should do your first oil change between 1500 and 2000 miles.

I have been following his advise and sleep very well at night.

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Re: THIS is why you do your first oil change early

I concur with Muzhik,
I always drain the break in oil and change my filter after the first 1K miles on a new vehicle.
Sure the oil and filter are still good, but to me, removing any possible fine particles or contaminants that may have worked loose or gotten in to the oil during assemble is just good and cheap precaution.....to date, have never had any internal engine problem in any of many, many new cars I've owned...... I'm not saying it's necessary, but to me it's just a cheap precaution, and certainly can not do any harm....I use the same oil and filter that the factory uses on this first change, then I follow the recommended change intervals and always use a top quality oil and filter meeting the factory recommended specs
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Re: THIS is why you do your first oil change early

Man I'm upset I didn't do my oil change early.. Both dealers ( dealer I purchased it from and the dealer i service it at) said you don't need to change your oil until 5000 miles.. Smh my oil signal went on at 4% within 3600 miles.. You know what my oil sticker says? To bring it in at another 3000 miles! So I'm like wtf! I was planning on bringing it in earlier just for that same peace of mind.. But the confidence in there voice when they said bring it in at 5000 miles threw my better judgement off.. I change my cars oils at 2500 miles all the time.. I'm about to do this with this one as well.. It lines up with all the other services that are periodic at 10k 15k intervals.. I'm bitter now..


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Old 12-17-2014, 09:41 PM
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Re: THIS is why you do your first oil change early

please tell me how those particles are going to damage your engine? the filter is there for a reason. whether you change it early or per service schedule those same particles are going to be caught in the filter regardless. your pic proves the filter has a very long service life on a new engine..
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Re: THIS is why you do your first oil change early

I always wondered what made 500, 1,000, 2,500 or however many miles the magic number to protect a new engine. With an engine spinning at between 500 and lets say 4,000 revolutions per minute during those miles, chances are one of those revolutions would have picked up the debris and destroyed the engine.

If changing oil early and often makes you feel good, go for it. But for those who follow the manufacturer's (not salesman) recommendations, don't beat yourself up over it. The guys and gals that designed these engines have probably take modern technology into account and discarded grandpa's oil change schedule.

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Re: THIS is why you do your first oil change early

I guess your right.. Its peace of mind i guess being brought up in a different time/era. I have a turbo car who eats oil and change her oil every 500 miles.. Lol just use to it so to me 2500 miles is alot lol


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after all they didnt bring a vehicle into the market without doing extensive research in this area for no reason..t
I wish Chrysler did more research on the 2014 3.6L transmission...

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I wish Chrysler did more research on the 2014 3.6L transmission...

That got a chuckle out of me.
Considering the 5spd was the same behind the Hemi and the V6, I don't see that the few dollars they saved to make a 'cheaper' 8spd for the V6 was worth it.
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Re: THIS is why you do your first oil change early

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please tell me how those particles are going to damage your engine? the filter is there for a reason. whether you change it early or per service schedule those same particles are going to be caught in the filter regardless. your pic proves the filter has a very long service life on a new engine..
if you do a blackstone analysis after 1000 miles you will see higher concentrations of metals in the oil. obviously they are not caught by the filter. while not particularly bad for the engine, it's not great either, which is why it's a good idea to change it early. but, there's never a way to explain this to someone who wants to squeeze every last bit of life out of each oil change.
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Interesting...when I bought my MY11 in Feb. 2011 it came with first oil change free. They said to do it at 3500 miles, which I did. Now, with my MY15, delivered late Oct. 2014, there is no free first oil change and they told me to follow the indicator (probably 10,000 miles). I have the same engine. Have oil and oil filters improved that markedly in less than 4 years? I doubt it. I had the oil and filter changed this morning at 2950 miles.
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if you do a blackstone analysis after 1000 miles you will see higher concentrations of metals in the oil. obviously they are not caught by the filter. while not particularly bad for the engine, it's not great either, which is why it's a good idea to change it early. but, there's never a way to explain this to someone who wants to squeeze every last bit of life out of each oil change.
Mate I work on 600hp+ diesels everyday of the week no google copying paste from me just 22yrs of real world experience.
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Mate I work on 600hp+ diesels everyday of the week no google copying paste from me just 22yrs of real world experience.
So it's the size that counts?

I explicitly said its not bad for the engine. But you can't argue it's not better for the engine to always have fresh oil. I'd like to see scientific evidence that proves fresh oil is worse than oil with contaminates in it.
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