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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

Oooh, now that's an excellent option. I have my seat as far back as possible to allow a couple of inches between my knee and the brake controller, but have still managed to knock my knee a couple of times as the controller is in such a stupid position! Having a remote arrangement like that Redarc is such a good option! Why the dealer didn't provide an option like that is beyond me! I guess they saw me coming...
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Maybe the dealer did not see your knees.
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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

Allypally, are you being just a little cheeky?!

Love your cherry red! I've seen a couple on the road in my travels, and they are just beautiful! Have you been out and about with your van? WWW.
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Yes. I was being cheeky.
Not bought a van yet. The one you saw behind my car was a rental.
Looking at an offroad van, so waiting for the quotes to come in.
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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

Most dealers have no idea of things like brake controlers
They just go for the know option
The knee breaker
The Redarc is a little harder to fit
In fact my dealer brought in a tow bar contractor to fit it because their staff have no idea
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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

The Redarc is a very simple install. It has the same 4 wire config as the others. I don't know why anyone would have a problem with it compared to other popular brands. I am not saying that the Redarc is better or worse than the others. I am simply stating it is becoming popular, is an alternative for a knee banging situation, and appears to perform the task it is required to do quite adequately.
Mind you, it does not have some of the functionality of the Prodigy, and I am still undecided which way to go.
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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

Thanks guys. Perhaps the dealer didn't see me coming and simply thought they'd done right by me, not knowing any better? Still, I'm of a mind that a dealer or anybody selling a product, should know that product. Given that I ordered the tow pack (ie. another product they promoted), in theory there shouldn't have been any issues.

Surely from a safety aspect, the complicated (aka 'mind of its own') Voyager unit that was installed was not the best option, not only because it is so blasted illogical, but because it's not possible to view the LED (which is needed when calibrating) and is a major concern for injury in an accident. As it was, the cable for the controller was hanging over the knee airbag (this was pointed out to me by the towing instructor - silly me, I just expected the job to have been handled correctly), which would have impacted the air bag releasing, let alone the fact that the unit is only an inch away from my left knee! In fact, the towing instructor couldn't calibrate the unit and, while demonstrating what to do in a skid procedure, the van came around to meet us as the controller wasn't operating the brakes effectively (quite scary)! Given the instructor has the same Jeep himself, he wasn't too kind about the brake controller fitted...

The Prodigy (I think it's the P3) seems to be getting some good reviews. Not sure if it can be mounted in the cubbyhole in the centre console, but even if it's mounted on the side of the console, that's a far better position than under the dash and, as it has a display, it's supposed to be much easier to use than the Voyager that was installed. I think I have no choice but to take this up with the original dealer - I'm just not happy with this unit.

If anybody else has had a brake controller installed as part of the tow pack, perhaps you could advise what type of unit was installed and where, and whether you requested that particular unit? Thanks, WWW.
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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

GDay Wendy
for info on what others have done with their controllers in Australia you could check out the 2 pages of posts here Electric Trailer Brakes
I went for the P3 and more than happy with how it does the job. I also installed it myself in the cubby and it lives there quite happily and out of the way. It did take a bit more effort to get it in there but I was mindful of keeping away from the airbag and not banging my knee.
Have a look here for excellent prices on both the Redarc and P3 (you wouldn't need a kit - just the unit itself) autoelecau items - Get great deals on ELECTRIC BRAKE CONTROLLER CARAVAN PRIMUS IQ WIRING KIT items on eBay Stores!
As a personal opinion I would say there is far better technology available to you than the Voyager unit the dealer chose.
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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

Thanks guys. I've just done some ringing around with Sydney, Perth and Melbourne dealers. Confirm all dealers handle the tow pack according to their own arrangements - there is no standard.

Of those dealers that have a standard unit that they install, two use a Redarc product, two use a Hayman Reese product, one uses whatever ARB chooses (they send the vehicle to ARB for fitting), one fits a unit that sits behind the dash with just a single turnable wheel protruding through the dash, and the other two don't recommend anything but always instruct the new owner to discuss requirements with their own auto elec.

None of the dealerships I spoke with use the Tekonsha Voyager, so perhaps this was the choice of the auto elec engaged by the dealership I purchased my Jeep from. Likewise, the units that were recommended appear to be simpler, ie. LED display or light with single dial/knob. Has anybody else used one of these Tekonsha Voyager units? Does anybody find them easy to configure?

Interestingly, one of the dealers in particular advised they would only use a unit that could be fitted to the flat surface near the gearstick, or on the ashtray insert (which I've seen on this forum) or in the cubbyhole, and not a pendukum type, which the Voyager is due to its positioning requirements. They advised they'd not fit a unit under the dash due to the lack of room and impact on the knee airbag.

Ah, I live and learn! Clearly I should have been asked whether I had a unit and/or position in mind, or I should have known that I needed to specify this. Would be interested to hear from anyone who has a Tekonsha Voyager, as to your thoughts on this unit. Thanks, WWW.
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Re: Battery capabilities for caravanning

Wendy, you should check the Caravan Forums. Caravaners Forum • Index page There is a wealth of threads on both the Grand Cherokee ( Caravaners Forum • View topic - new grand jeep cherokee v6 diesel?????? )and brake controllers.
It would appear that the most popular brake controllers are the Tekonsha Prodigy 2 or Prodigy 3. I think the Voyager is an older model.
I wouldn't be too concerned with the controller you have. Tekonsha is a very good brand, and performs very well. I would only consider changing your one if it is not performing or it's position is unbearable.
In the meantime, we are still waiting on photo's of your trips.
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From one of your previous posts Wendy, you indicated that you had attended a towing course (great idea) and that the towing instructor a) couldn't calibrate the Voyager, and b) wasn't too complimentary about your installation.
It also seems you aren't too happy with it - or the location.
Going a fair way back in this thread there's been lots of info on the P3 and the Redarc......
Why persevere?
My advice would be to bite the bullet and get either model installed in a place you are happy with. They are essentially the same price on line so that's not an issue.
As I see it the biggest challenge is simply to find a quality installer who won't rip you off.
Outcome should be that you finish up with an out of the way installation with a controller that's simple to set up and use - more importantly - that will operate the van brakes so you have an integrated, balanced, towing package with maximum braking performance should it ever be necessary.
That's what I've got and its not rocket science.
O, and the P3 can't be installed on the side of the console, put simply, it's display must be looking at you (that's not the reason, just too long to explain here).
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Additionally, the install of another controller should be cheap, as the wiring is now in place, and therefore all you would need to do is patch the new controller into that wiring and locate it where you need to.
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