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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

whats the hp and tq numbers?
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

From what I found 237hp and 405 ft lbs of torque.
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

241hp and 406 ft/lb of torque...... and look at the torque rpm's, alllllll the way from 1800 through 2800 rpm
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

I still don't see the point of a diesel in an smaller suv when the Hemi is available (I am talking about the USA). The Hemi can already tow more weight than the weight of the vehicle will allow, has more HP and torque is about the same with a very broad curve for both, and is a lot faster than the diesel. What am I missing besides fuel mileage? It will probably cost more and fuel is more expensive also.

Diesel's are for towing and a mid size luxury SUV is not exactly the type of tow vehicle people are looking for when they need the requirements of a diesel. If you want to tow, you get a big diesel truck. In that, a diesel makes sense.
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

the range on a tank of gas on this is going to be nuts!
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

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I still don't see the point of a diesel in an smaller suv when the Hemi is available (I am talking about the USA). The Hemi can already tow more weight than the weight of the vehicle will allow, has more HP and torque is about the same with a very broad curve for both, and is a lot faster than the diesel. What am I missing besides fuel mileage? It will probably cost more and fuel is more expensive also.

Diesel's are for towing and a mid size luxury SUV is not exactly the type of tow vehicle people are looking for when they need the requirements of a diesel. If you want to tow, you get a big diesel truck. In that, a diesel makes sense.

The huge difference in fuel consumption should be enough. Unless you are drag racing your GC and really care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times (which is pretty silly for an SUV) the diesel will actually feel faster in normal driving than the Hemi due to the massive amount of torque available instantly.
It doesn't look like you would pay a premium for the diesel over the Hemi, so for me, I don't understand why anyone would choose the Hemi over the diesel.
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

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The huge difference in fuel consumption should be enough. Unless you are drag racing your GC and really care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times (which is pretty silly for an SUV) the diesel will actually feel faster in normal driving than the Hemi due to the massive amount of torque available instantly.
It doesn't look like you would pay a premium for the diesel over the Hemi, so for me, I don't understand why anyone would choose the Hemi over the diesel.
didn't we discuss this in another thread???

We will just have to agree to disagree. I like diesel's in big trucks but see no need in a luxury SUV with a 7500lb. tow rating.
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

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didn't we discuss this in another thread???

We will just have to agree to disagree. I like diesel's in big trucks but see no need in a luxury SUV with a 7500lb. tow rating.
Sounds familiar to me too

I just don't understand how you can say you see no need for a diesel in a vehicle like the GC. To me, that is like saying that you see no need for improvement. The need is significantly better fuel economy and the diesel accomplishes that with no real drawbacks.
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Re: Closer look at the new 3.0 turbo diesel

The diesel GC could potentially go 800 miles on one tank.
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I still don't see the point of a diesel in an smaller suv when the Hemi is available (I am talking about the USA). The Hemi can already tow more weight than the weight of the vehicle will allow, has more HP and torque is about the same with a very broad curve for both, and is a lot faster than the diesel. What am I missing besides fuel mileage? It will probably cost more and fuel is more expensive also.

Diesel's are for towing and a mid size luxury SUV is not exactly the type of tow vehicle people are looking for when they need the requirements of a diesel. If you want to tow, you get a big diesel truck. In that, a diesel makes sense.

Urghhhh, this again.

I see your point, but not everyone wants to have two vehicles or be forced to put up with a huge lumbering Truck just to tow something such as a boat, van, car transporter, whatever.

The WK is either platform will do all of that with ease, and at the end you just unhitch and you have yourself a superb daily vehicle.

I'm a hemi lover, but you say the hemi is a LOT faster than the diesel, well, you're wrong AND, a turbo diesel is MUCH easier to get more performance from than our N/A hemi's.

There's a bunch of WK1 Jeep diesel here in Oz that with simple tune and exhaust upgrades will absolutely WIPE the floor with my Hemi version

Having said all that, I'm not certain the new diesel is for me, I really like the sound of an 8, and I like an engine that I can occasionally drive in a sporty manner, give it a bit of a rev, you know, the Hemi

Additionally, as I usually keep my vehicles beyond the warranty period, these new-tech diesels kinda scare the shit out of me when it all goes wrong. The hemi's however, parts are just SO cheap!
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Urghhhh, this again.

I see your point, but not everyone wants to have two vehicles or be forced to put up with a huge lumbering Truck just to tow something such as a boat, van, car transporter, whatever.

The WK is either platform will do all of that with ease, and at the end you just unhitch and you have yourself a superb daily vehicle.

I'm a hemi lover, but you say the hemi is a LOT faster than the diesel, well, you're wrong AND, a turbo diesel is MUCH easier to get more performance from than our N/A hemi's.

There's a bunch of WK1 Jeep diesel here in Oz that with simple tune and exhaust upgrades will absolutely WIPE the floor with my Hemi version

Having said all that, I'm not certain the new diesel is for me, I really like the sound of an 8, and I like an engine that I can occasionally drive in a sporty manner, give it a bit of a rev, you know, the Hemi

Additionally, as I usually keep my vehicles beyond the warranty period, these new-tech diesels kinda scare the shit out of me when it all goes wrong. The hemi's however, parts are just SO cheap!
good points but I still don't think of a luxury mid size suv as a tow vehicle. The people buying diesel's in f250's and f350's have a need to tow more than 12000 lbs, or they would get a f150 or similar (I like Ford so I use them as examples ) Our Jeeps, even with a 800 Ft. Lb. diesel it couldn't tow that much so what is the point? The Hemi already can tow as much as the short wheelbase and low weight Jeep could ever tow with any engine.

I know my brother is regretting getting the diesel in his 2011 f250, he finally looked at the price of parts and is amazed at how much they cost.

And if Diesel's are such great racing motors, why isn't the SRT a diesel.

this is a fun discussion. It is like the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke threads I like on the dirt bike message boards. I like 2-strokes by the way.
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