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Old 05-10-2013, 07:53 PM
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Re: Cost/benefit for gas and diesel.

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You will see that fuel economy for the diesel is over-rated when compared to the V6, you will be highly unlikely (realistically never) to get your money back by buying a diesel. Then there are the maintenance costs which are - safe to say - higher for the diesel. And to think that you would be getting that $4000 back when you sell the car? Seriously? 1000 $? Yeah I could see that. You lose $ 4000 after a week of driving it away from the showroom floor. Five years from now ithat initial price difference will be worth a lot lot less.

I've said it before and I will repeat it: buy the diesel for the torque, for towing the boat or the trailer; for off-road. NOT for fuel economy.
I ordered the Diesel based on owning a modern 3.0 Diesel from Mercedes and saving huge money on Fuel.... For my local area Diesel never once was more than 5% more than gas. On single long distance trips that I have done in my Durango 5.7 Hemi I have save $80.00 each way in my 3.0 diesel.

But More importantly. I had mentioned before as my example lays out that we should be comparing the Diesel to the V8 as it has more torque that is the only reasonable comparison. People who need the V8 should consider the Diesel was my only comment.
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Re: Cost/benefit for gas and diesel.

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However, the diesel option is $4,500 + 7.5% tax (not counting in any interest on a loan) that would make the option $4,837. A savings of 6 cents per mile will take 80,000 miles to break even.
As somebody else mentioned, you will get some of the upcharge of the CRD back once you sell the car - which would lead to another question:

Are you planning on paying cash for the entire car or are you financing or leasing? If financing or leasing, you won't have to wait for a "break even"-point. As long as your monthly fuel savings are bigger than your additional monthly charge for the optional CRD-engine, you save right from the spot.

Compared to the gas V6, that takes some mileage/month - but compared to the V8 (which, IMO, is a more appropriate comparison), almost any average driver will save right away.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:02 PM
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We're actually on the same page presenting the position that any anticipated "savings" in buying a diesel may be a illusory.

And ColdCase is absolutely correct, the cost of maintaining a diesel can be a wallet wrecker. Any work on a diesel requires a diesel mechanic and any work is expensive. The new high pressured Piezo injectors at 29,000 PSi can be damaged if some micro particle gets sucked into the pipes nad blast out the nozzle. Blown turbos, I've brought up the issue of cold diesel gelling and cloggin the systsem, etc.

Much for anyone considering a diesel to ponder.
4 Years and more than 60,000 miles and I never had any of those isssues. I had long paid back the cost of running a V8 during that time as well as got the BONUS of getting extra money back at the end. Sure Diesel oil is a little more expensive every 10,000 miles but I only had to do it 6 times during the entire ownership of the vehicle. You speak of a lot of Cans an Ifs and claim that the mileage numbers are some how skewed. Well I can tell you DEF engines are way more efficeient than the prior particulate only filters. Again personal experience with 50 state emissions vehicles.
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Compared to the gas V6, that takes some mileage/month - but compared to the V8 (which, IMO, is a more appropriate comparison), almost any average driver will save right away.
I think that we should all agree that this comparison is between the V8 and the CRD yes?

Why would we compare something with 260 Foot Pounds of torque with something that has 420 Foot pounds of torque and have a fuel economy discussion. I am just looking for a more reasonable playing field. You cant say something costs $4500 more when you compare a 4cyl and a V8 which is about how far off these two are in power.

Fair??? V8 vs CRD from here forward?
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I think that we should all agree that this comparison is between the V8 and the CRD yes?

Why would we compare something with 260 Foot Pounds of torque with something that has 420 Foot pounds of torque and have a fuel economy discussion. I am just looking for a more reasonable playing field. You cant say something costs $4500 more when you compare a 4cyl and a V8 which is about how far off these two are in power.

Fair??? V8 vs CRD from here forward?
I totally agree. I only mentioned the V6 gas because it happens over and over again that people compare the cost of the CRD to the V6 gas. It happened in this particular thread, too.
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Trying to predict fuel costs and economics on the diesel vs gas is an interesting but fruitless comparison, IMHO. Been there done that. Its only practical use is justifying whatever decision you want to make.

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Let us just go with what we know from people already driving this with the 5 speed then.

Quick translate from Metric is

621 at least to the tank

29.7 MPG

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Re: Cost/benefit for gas and diesel.

Completely agree with the math, however, you also need to add the cost of DEF, ~$60/10,000miles. Additionally oil changes will cost you more money too. In the end, the diesel still comes out a bit better, but more like 3cents per mile. That said, still wish i had a diesel. Love the torque.
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Re: Cost/benefit for gas and diesel.

On the other hand, with the Hemi you go to the dealer every 30,000 miles for spark plug change and they charge you north of $200.
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