Originally Posted by 335d
You are flat out wrong. My 2011 Touareg TDI (5000 lbs) gets better than 32 mpg at 60 mph on the interstate. All of my fill ups are posted at fuelly.com see "tdi sport" under the 2011 section.
Please read my post. I don't care about 60mph mileage because I never go that speed.
At 60, you will get the EPA rating in every car I've owned for the last 6 years (or maybe 1-2 over). In the V8 Jeep that's 20. What is the Tourag, 32? OK fine. (I looked it up, it's a very respectable 28, and the Tourag is smaller than the Jeep).
At 80 with ski pod on top and full vehicle I average 17 both into and with the wind (average) in early April (summer will be a bit better).
Older Jeeps were lighter I suppose and smaller, some had 2wd as an option or switchable. The new Jeeps are AWD, heavy, and big. Just like the MB and BMW's which are listed in diesel form as mid 20's hwy EPA... But at 80 with a pod on top fully loaded, what do they get.. This is my question. I'm not bashing diesel, I just think it will be more like 23 than 32. So for my personal deal, I'm comparing 17 to about 23.
Using my calcs, this is about 5-6K$ savings with D by 60,000 miles, fwiw.
As far as urea, I still think the Jeeps will have it in 2013 until I hear some educated voice otherwise. And if the urea is frozen long enough and not being injected into the engine (exhaust??) due to multiple short trips it will eventually send a fault and shut the car down (prevent restart or something). I seriously doubt BMW would do this if the EPA didn't make them. I'm not saying I plan on ice road trucking, but the last thing I want is a car that won't start or keep running because some California boogerpicker thinks I'm hurting the environment when I'm stranded in -20F. This along with other minor unpleasantness of D make me lean toward keeping my V8... But I will be testing and considering the D when it arrives.