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Old 10-22-2011, 11:09 AM
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

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There are no misconceptions mate. Diesel is diesel and will always be diesel. It just doesn't compare to gasoline cars and never will. As for power. You'll have a great torque, I'll give you that. But the ponys usually kick in at a very limited RPM range, and just as they came.....they left.

If you are a farmer or just wanna save a few bucks(remember that diesel engines also have a much higher maintenance cost). Then get the diesel.
If you enjoy driving and like cars in general. Get a gasoline engine.
So why are Audi winning races (eg. 24 Hr Le Mans) with diesel engines. Modern clean diesels using low sulfur diesel are far different from the past. They are more fuel efficient, produce less pollution/ emissions, quieter, and starts in freezing weather. But for larger vehicles such as SUVs, the torque alone is to die for.
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:43 AM
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

things have changed a lot in the past 10 years. you used to be able to take your diesel truck to the drag strip on the weekend, blow away a few ricers or cheap muscle cars, and then get 23 mpg hauling your holiday trailer the next week, with 250,000+ kms on the odometer. now, with all the emissions control garbage, you can barely get a tuner or an exhaust for the new trucks. granted they are more powerful to start with, but for a couple thousand, you used to be able to add a couple hundred hp and lose a lot of tire tread very easily. i used to be a diesel fanatic and now i don't really care anymore. but it would be nice to see a solid diesel engine in a jeep. i think people would buy it. definitely in Canada anyways. and come on, the sound of a turbo diesel winding up is a beautiful symphony. that alone makes me miss my truck.
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:23 PM
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So why are Audi winning races (eg. 24 Hr Le Mans) with diesel engines. Modern clean diesels using low sulfur diesel are far different from the past. They are more fuel efficient, produce less pollution/ emissions, quieter, and starts in freezing weather. But for larger vehicles such as SUVs, the torque alone is to die for.
Now you are just being silly. The Le Mans Audi is a track car with a twin turbo v12 in a car that weighs 2000lbs. If you'd be talking about the Audi R8 diesel. Well, that would be different. Now wait a minute.....there is no Audi R8 diesel..... Strange don't you think??
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

I just wanted to add my experience with my 2008 3.0 CRD Grand Cherokee. This has the Merc diesel not the new Fiat diesel. I just finished a Chi to LA 5500 mile trip mostly in Eastern Sierra area Death Valley, Mono Lake & Yosemite.

I averaged about 19 mpg the fuel cost ranges from about $4.50 to $5.69. It always starts & runs great, even in sub zero weather or over 100 degrees, & from over 14,000 feet or-275 feet.
I really like my diesel but very few others did. They stop selling them in US because no one bought it.

While I do like it I am not sure I would purchase another.
I have about 115,000 miles on it and nothing major has gone wrong yet, but I am concerned if/when it will.
If something had happened on my trip where would I get repaired & who has parts at what cost? Anyone can work on & get parts for the Hemi not true for this diesel, maybe the new one will be different?
Another problem I have is, diesel fuel is messy, pumps and the cement around them are oily, it gets on my shoes sometimes on my cloths. When traveling this really sucks because you cannot get rid of the smell.
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^^^^^I would consider a diesel Overland for my wife if it can get in the lower 30's MPG...but the above statement is one of the reasons I wouldnt. My wife is a regional President, wears $500 shoes and cant smell like diesel.....LOL
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Old 10-22-2011, 04:17 PM
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

I was under the impression the past CRD and the current/future CRD are both manufactured by VM Motori. VM's diesels have had past issues and possibly future issues.
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

I have not had any problems with filling up with fuel. While I agree that Diesel is a messy fuel, modern pumps in good gas stations should not cause problems.
i0r15's statements about Diesel are wrong. Audi is demonstrating what modern Diesel motors can do. I do not consider a JGC as a sports car and putting in the same class as a R8 is just silly.

Diesel is designed to run in big heavy vehicles, as their torque gets they lard asses moving. Diesel will also give you more consistent MPG, as opposed to gasoline that will vary by huge amounts, all based on your right foot.
I am not saying that Diesel is better than gasoline in the Jeep, only that it is a very good choice. I think once people try them out, they will find the motor is well suited to the intended application.
This is my first Diesel vehicle, but it will not be my last. I have realised that I was critical of diesel for the same reasons people have stated above, but my mind has been changed for the better.
I hope Jeep sell more CRD's this time round in Nth america.
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In Oregon we dont have self serve gas....its nice when its nasty out to not have to get out of the car.
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Spoken like someone who has never driven a modern diesel.

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^^^^^I would consider a diesel Overland for my wife if it can get in the lower 30's MPG...but the above statement is one of the reasons I wouldnt. My wife is a regional President, wears $500 shoes and cant smell like diesel.....LOL
If the regional VP I work for can drive a Mercedes Diesel so can your wife. He never smells like diesel fuel. (not that I check to see what he smells like on a regular basis lol).
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

We all have different preferences for engines and so Chrysler's offering a diesel just makes it better for all.
Today's paper, Toronto Star, said Marchionne plans to start with the GC in 2013 but diesel power will flow over to most of Chrysler's large cars, including the 300 and Dodge Charger to meet the new fuel economy regulations.
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I have not had any problems with filling up with fuel. While I agree that Diesel is a messy fuel, modern pumps in good gas stations should not cause problems.
i0r15's statements about Diesel are wrong. Audi is demonstrating what modern Diesel motors can do. I do not consider a JGC as a sports car and putting in the same class as a R8 is just silly.
If you read before you post you would see that Red G8R made a comparisson to Audi's Le Mans racer. That's silly.

Modern diesel or not. It will never have the same feel as a gasoline engine.
I concider the Jeep beeing such a modern and versatile vehicle that diesel makes it a perfect torque utility vehicle. And it's V8 versions makes it a performance SUV. The choice is yours.
I have the small discontinued V8(4.7). But performance wise I would spank the CRD any time. Getting 0-60 just below 7 seconds with the only few mods I've made.

My point still stands. If you need something slightly more economical, fuel economy or for it's towing capability. Diesel is the way to go.
But diesel will never be made into performance vehicles. Only in Le Mans you will see that.
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Modern diesel or not. It will never have the same feel as a gasoline engine.
Have you driven a higher end modern diesel vehicle? Such as a Mercedes?

If the answer was yes, you wouldn't have made that statement.
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