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Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

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Faced with ever-stricter fuel-economy regulations, Chrysler Group will launch diesel-powered and hybrid vehicles in the U.S. market. According to Automotive News, Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne believes diesels and hybrids are the only way for his company to meet future Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules. Marchionne revealed that Chrysler will launch a diesel version of the Jeep Grand Cherokee in 2013. Thereafter, many larger Chrysler vehicles will be offered with diesels in the U.S. Chrysler has said that by 2014, diesels would account for 14 percent of its global sales, compared to 8 percent in 2009.


I don't understand what the US's issue is with diesel today, but it's apparently becoming a bit more "acceptable" seeing this headline!
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

people in the US see them as stinky, rattling vehicles...when thats not exactly true with new diesels. Diesel is more expensive than gas though....mayeb that has something to do with it also?
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

The small increase in per gallon cost should offset by the increased MPG, but I think the Old Stinky VW and Mercedes Diesels have spoiled the opinion of the diesel in the US.
At least, that's what I think of.
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

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The small increase in per gallon cost should offset by the increased MPG, but I think the Old Stinky VW and Mercedes Diesels have spoiled the opinion of the diesel in the US.
At least, that's what I think of.
that small increase is 50 cents more per gallon than regular where I am at. That's a big difference added to the initial price increase from a diesel.

It would take a lot to swing me from gas to diesel. My brothers new f250 is a diesel. It is just as quiet as a gas motor, doesn't smell any more than a gas one, and drives pretty much the same. It's simply a cost issue. If manufacturers can get the price lower than the gas motors (to offset the higher fuel price) I would consider one.
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

The diesel engine is the same price as the HEMI in Australia. That said they are both $5k more than the Pentastar!
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

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that small increase is 50 cents more per gallon than regular where I am at. That's a big difference added to the initial price increase from a diesel.

It would take a lot to swing me from gas to diesel. My brothers new f250 is a diesel. It is just as quiet as a gas motor, doesn't smell any more than a gas one, and drives pretty much the same. It's simply a cost issue. If manufacturers can get the price lower than the gas motors (to offset the higher fuel price) I would consider one.
This. No one likes paying 7-9K more for a diesel varient. The costs outweight the benefits at this point. If they could lower the cost differential on diesels their costs to benefits ratio would decrease a ton.
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

So what are the estimated MPG numbers for the 2013 JGC US diesel?
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

The old GM diesels didn't help matters much either. Even if cost/benefit is a wash versus the gasser the ability to go further between fill ups makes it worthwhile. I could see the GC becoming a popular expedition rig for that very reason.
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

I would get diesel instead of gasoline one, modern diesels are not stinky nor noisy. People in America should travel sometimes and see what people driving these days all over planet Earth. Just got back from London where 80% of cars are with diesels. All from small smart like to taxi cabs.
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Re: Diesel Grand Cherokee Coming to US!

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So what are the estimated MPG numbers for the 2013 JGC US diesel?
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EPA numbers would need to be run certainly, but by our conversion, the 3.0 CRD should be capable of 22 mpg city and 32 mpg highway. That's a far cry from the 16/22 mpg estimated from Chrysler's new 3.6-liter V6 Pentastar engine with the 4x4 setup
Per WK2 Jeeps site = 8.3l/100km or 28.3 combined MPG.

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that small increase is 50 cents more per gallon than regular where I am at. That's a big difference added to the initial price increase from a diesel.
It's simply a cost issue. If manufacturers can get the price lower than the gas motors (to offset the higher fuel price) I would consider one.
Your fuel vs Gas price is drastic and not common.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_m.htm
The site above shows the national average is just about 30 cents difference for regular across the last 6 months, with it dipping into the .14 cent difference in May.


As for the difference in cost, since your getting equivalent or close to equivalent performance of the Hemi, (406 lb-ft vs 390 lb-ft for hemi) the price difference can be much if any at all, as Mendo pointed out above.

Even at only a 10 mpg savings for the diesel and similar cost vs the hemi,
I'd have to say the savings is there immediately.
The Hemi list price as an option is $1,495 list and $1,331 invoice.

Here are some calculations with the Diesel, the PentaStar and the Hemi.

100 gallons Diesel = $3.80/gal (current DOE average) = $380
100 gallons diesel = 2800 miles
Cost per mile = .14
50,000 miles = $7,000

100 gallons gas = $3.48/gal (current DOE average) = $348
100 gallons Gas = 1900 miles for V6 and 1500 miles for Hemi
V6 Cost per mile = .18
50,000 miles = $9,000
V8 Cost per mile = .23
50,000 miles = $11,500


$2,000 difference from the pentastar and $4,500 from the Hemi in 3 or 4 years depending on how much you drive should be something to consider.
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You also need to consider that the CRD is lighter than the other motors, and is as fast as a stock Hemi. It will also tow the same as a Hemi.
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Hey Enforcer, what kind of price difference was there in Australia when you bought it?

Problem in my area is Diesel is about $.10 more a gallon than premium, which is $.30-$.50 more than regular. I saw a station yesterday where regular was $3.39 and diesel was $4.09, so $.70 a gallon more. The reason for that is lack of demand, a station puts in a pump and incurs the cost of delivery when it sells slowly. If diesel was more commonly used the cost would come down.

When you factor in the $1,500 or so I bet the diesel will cost, that $2,000 difference between the Diesel and the Pentastar becomes $500, which is within the margin of error in a big way.

Now, you get benefits with the Diesel, better performance, better towing...but if its more than $1500 or so more...
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