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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

In case anyone is interested here is The "U.S. Energy Information Administration's" explanation of "Why has diesel fuel been more expensive than gasoline?":


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Why has diesel fuel been more expensive than gasoline?

On-highway diesel fuel prices have been higher than regular gasoline prices almost continuously since September 2004, a break from the historical pattern of diesel fuel prices usually being lower than gasoline prices except in cold winters when demand for heating oil pushed diesel fuel prices higher. The main reasons why diesel fuel prices have been higher than gasoline prices in recent years are:
  • High worldwide demand for diesel fuel and other distillate fuel oils, especially in Europe, China, India, and the United States, and a tight global refining capacity available to meet demand during the period of high economic growth from 2002 to mid-2008.
  • The transition to less polluting, lower-sulfur diesel fuels in the United States affected diesel fuel production and distribution costs.
  • The Federal excise tax for on-highway diesel fuel of 24.4 cents/gallon is 6 cents per gallon higher the gasoline tax.
I still like diesels. I'm still buying a diesel. If I was being thrifty, I would buy the Subaru Outback standard transmission. Because it's AWD, big enough and I can all-four-down tow it behind my Motorhome and coincidentally it gets the same MPG as the new EcoDiesel 4x4 28MPG. I drive a diesel now, a 2009 VW 2 liter TDI no DEF(AKA Piss Tank). I like telling people what I get for mileage. I like it when they shut off the pump and say over the loud speaker "Hey Dude! Your putting diesel in your car."

That's right I own a car who's origins go back to the Nazis and my new car owes its origins to a vehicle that was made to fight the Nazis.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:26 AM
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Cool logo.

Those are all prototype race cars. It's like saying gas (alcohol) engines win indy or F1 every year so there, proof they're better in a Jeep...

No one puts money into P1 cars like Audi does, they win because of that.


I don't think I've personally made up stuff on this thread, I'm just trying to educate and learn.. I still am waiting to hear from someone in a COLD climate if these things warm up within say a 5 mile drive to heat the cabin or not.. Diesel cars I've been in don't do so hot at -15F. Anyone? Sweden?

There are a whole mess of - maybe irrelevant or not - issues with diesels in US for possible buyers. For example: lack of filling stations in some places, changes in temperature drastically in 1 month where I live, lack of knowledge of these engines in the repair shop (which in USA can be 160 miles from your home), cheaper gas engines, cheaper gas than diesel, little experience with diesel maintenance by owners who care to do their own stuff, urea and emission control regulations changing the perfect euro/oz engines... If you don't see these as issues, you probably live outside USA.

For most it will come down to cost / mile by about 100,000 miles. I'm not sure the CRD will beat the V6 for that, probably the V8.

I really have a hard time thinking a new CRD / 8 speed JEEP (of all things) will be easier to own than a hemi jeep considering, most importantly, reliability. If I overcome that thought (by seeing them perform in USA) then my next move may be to trade to one from my hemi (when gas is 5$).

I'll trade my Z06 for an R8d when pigs fly (burning diesel )..

It's all good. Can't wait to see them around.
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Answer me this; why did Audi choose to switch to a diesel when they were winning every endurance race anyway?

I live in Florida. I can't say my diesel VW doesn't start slow when I am in New England. But, also, my new GC will have a block heater.

If a diesel didn't belong in a 4x4 then why did the U.S. armed forces go with one in the HMMWV(Humvee)? Maybe partly because the engine life is rated at 500,000 miles. The Cummins ISL is rated at 500k that is in my Motorhome. I can only assume the diesel they put in a HumVee is at least as long-lived.





I have never had any problems finding a diesel mechanic or filling stations. Keep in mind every jeep dealer has been selling dodge diesels right along. Not to mention all the old Jeep Diesels still running that are fixed.

One thing to mention is the Oil Changes. I have read the oil changes can be at 12,500 for the CRD. The Oil used is very specific, it must meet ACEA C3 specifications. The Mobil 1 is like 7.85 the amsoil is $10 you need 9 quarts. Follow very carefully the owners manual on the Specs for your oil. My Jetta TDI's manual warns of death if you use the wrong oil, not kidding.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Due to temperature concerns:
The temperature in the place I live reaches -4 to -14 F sometimes. Due to Filter heater and auxiliary heater of the engine never had any issues in starting and running.
A current test of the german AA (Adac) proved a golf diesel with no starting or running problems down to -18F.
However, you will need low temp specified diesel fuel, but.as long as there are trucks running in those areas there will be winter-rated diesel availiable!

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This test done by a German auto organisation might solve a few issues (or create more), see Fahrbericht Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0 CRD - G-Klasse auf amerikanisch - autobild.de . Results for 0-100km/h (0-62.1mph) were:
3L CRD__________9.0s
4.7L V8__________9.5s
5.7L Hemi________7.4s
The 0-60 on the CRD matches my Jetta TDI. According to VW 9 seconds 0-60. I should feel right at home.
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This test done by a German auto organisation might solve a few issues (or create more), see Fahrbericht Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0 CRD - G-Klasse auf amerikanisch - autobild.de . Results for 0-100km/h (0-62.1mph) were:3L CRD__________9.0s
4.7L V8__________9.5s
5.7L Hemi________7.4s
This article is from May 2005. Or am I reading it wrong?

The specs don't match the current engines.
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Yep that's the previous GC with the Merc diesel
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Yep that's the previous GC with the Merc diesel
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Check my math here for an Overland with either hemi or diesel. It seems like I only need to drive about 28k (two years) to make up the price difference? These are based on today's gas/diesel prices and the Shell stations near my home.

Also, shouldn't this thread be in the Diesel section?
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Check my math here for an Overland with either hemi or diesel. It seems like I only need to drive about 28k (two years) to make up the price difference? These are based on today's gas/diesel prices and the Shell stations near my home.

Also, shouldn't this thread be in the Diesel section?
One thing the MPG for he CRD 4x4 is 28 not 30.

The MPG for the CRD 4x2 is 30.
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Check my math here for an Overland with either hemi or diesel. It seems like I only need to drive about 28k (two years) to make up the price difference? These are based on today's gas/diesel prices and the Shell stations near my home.

Also, shouldn't this thread be in the Diesel section?
You're also using the lowest figure for the gasoline engine for fuel economy, and the highest for the diesel. Also insisting on 89, Hemis run just fine on 87, they recommend 89 so they can claim more hp for marketing.

FWIW, a V8 4x4 is rated for 21mpg highway.

If the previous Jeep diesels are any indication for how the dealerships will handle the next group of them, I'd run away as fast as possible. Most dealerships had a level of competency with the Mercedes diesels that could be most favorably be described as "pathetic". Lots of horror stories of dealers killing the diesels with the wrong oil, wrong parts, etc. and then Chrysler and the dealers not taking any responsibility.

I would suspect that they're going to make a more serious attempt this time though.
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Those figures look good to me, even if they are off a little, the CRD will most likely get much higher MPG than it is rated at, as has been mentioned. The HEMI will most likely get less than it is rated at. Diesels seem to outperform the ratings, and petrol seems to underperform.
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You're also using the lowest figure for the gasoline engine for fuel economy, and the highest for the diesel. Also insisting on 89, Hemis run just fine on 87, they recommend 89 so they can claim more hp for marketing.

FWIW, a V8 4x4 is rated for 21mpg highway.

If the previous Jeep diesels are any indication for how the dealerships will handle the next group of them, I'd run away as fast as possible. Most dealerships had a level of competency with the Mercedes diesels that could be most favorably be described as "pathetic". Lots of horror stories of dealers killing the diesels with the wrong oil, wrong parts, etc. and then Chrysler and the dealers not taking any responsibility.

I would suspect that they're going to make a more serious attempt this time though.
I went to a Bosch Car Service Center with my Jetta TDI and they were about to use the wrong oil. I asked them what they were going to use and to show me a bottle. They ended up driving to Pep Boys to buy some. This means they probably used the wrong oil more than a few times. I needed to show them my owners manual to prove they were using the wrong oil. Pep Boys is the only place one should trust to change the Oil in a European diesel besides the dealer. Why, because they are the only ones that sell the oil, that I know of, besides the dealer. Also, judging by the special I saw on TV they are the most honest and reasonably priced. If my Jeep dealer doesn't stock the right oil, my jeep dealer won't be doing my oil change, Pep Boys will or perhaps my old Volkswagen dealer.
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