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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I can't wait to see what the upcoming Mazda 6 diesel is all about. I hope they eventually bring the wagon over as well; really nice looking car and would be the ideal replacement for our vw before it hits the "total electronic systems failure" age.

I had a miata that I hopped up to 8lbs boost and beat the snot out of past 100k and it never missed a beat on anything. Very reliable car, hope the new Mazdas are the same.
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I too have a VW TDI sportwagen, I wouldn't call it a 3 season car but then again our definitions of winter are probably relative. Dead of winter here is temps in the single digits F, a few dips sub zero but have not experienced really cold weather (15-20 below) since owning the car.

Starts fine no matter what, but I have to agree trying to thaw a frozen windshield is a pain in the butt. We have resorted to having to use the recirc setting several times to try to get some heat into the cabin to thaw out enough to drive off safely. It really doesn't make much heat until you embark.

A couple posters from Europe in other threads mentioned the vw heating system is poor at best compared to other similar diesels over there...

As far as the tires, it is really easy to spin them due to all the torque on wet/snowy/salty roads. That took some getting used to... The funny looks I get when accedentally lighting them up from a stop (manual trans) while towing our camper is hilarious however.
Definitely a cold winter this year with temps sometimes dipping to -40 (F or C is the same at this temp) but dealer told me I would have to plug in block heater if not driving vehicle everyday and if temps were stalled around -20Celcius during the night....I found that it would not start othewise....and during the coldest time, defroster stopped working entirely until car warmed up with outside temp....

Also, tires were so useless that simply getting out of the driveway if there was ice, was an issue....needless to say, I was not impressed with winter performance and have no confidence in this car during winter....I will be trading it in this Spring/Summer....perhaps the Jeep diesel next??

As i mentioned earlier, during the many years I owned Jeep Grand Cherokee, I always had confidence in its ability to get me around, regardless of weather....and with the Jeep diesel, at least you get better mileage and more distance between fillups, as well as plenty of power for highway driving, which is currently where I do most driving...but I need a vehicle that is reliable, durable, and safe for winter driving...and personally, I don't want a vehicle where I have to change out winter tires every Spring and Fall

P.S. Just got a flat tire on the VW yesterday....no full size spare of course, so off to the dealership.......another point about winter driving in a small car, low to the ground vs an SUV/truck is that you are more susceptible to salt spray from every other truck/SUV on the road since they all are higher and the rear window is constantly dirty as well...
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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and personally, I don't want a vehicle where I have to change out winter tires every Spring and Fall
There's no such thing. I currently have a 2007 JK with 35" Wrangler MT/Rs, ARB lockers front and rear, 5.13 axle gearing (among many other mods), and the 5-speed manual (so 2nd gear starts). I learned to drive in snowy Chicagoland winters, and I still prefer swapping to winter tires.

It's 4-wheel drive. Doesn't do anything to help you stop or steer.


That being said, you're making me wonder whether I should order the engine block heater. Not sure I'd ever need one in Colorado, and I've never needed one on my gas engines in all the lower 48 road trips I've made, but maybe I should get one for the diesel? Does anyone in the lower 48 find they need one? Canada is great and all, but I'll skip your winters.
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P.S. Just got a flat tire on the VW yesterday....no full size spare of course, so off to the dealership.......another point about winter driving in a small car, low to the ground vs an SUV/truck is that you are more susceptible to salt spray from every other truck/SUV on the road since they all are higher and the rear window is constantly dirty as well...
Ours has a full size spare. Even though it has the typical 50 mph/50 miles warning sticker on it, same exact tire as on the alloys, so other than staring at the TPS warning, no difference.

A tech once said that VW stands for varies widely, yet one more example...

Anyway, hijack off, don't want to get kicked off the forum for talking VW too much!!!
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There's no such thing. I currently have a 2007 JK with 35" Wrangler MT/Rs, ARB lockers front and rear, 5.13 axle gearing (among many other mods), and the 5-speed manual (so 2nd gear starts). I learned to drive in snowy Chicagoland winters, and I still prefer swapping to winter tires.

It's 4-wheel drive. Doesn't do anything to help you stop or steer.


That being said, you're making me wonder whether I should order the engine block heater. Not sure I'd ever need one in Colorado, and I've never needed one on my gas engines in all the lower 48 road trips I've made, but maybe I should get one for the diesel? Does anyone in the lower 48 find they need one? Canada is great and all, but I'll skip your winters.
For the extra 95 bucks, I'm planning to order it. Even if I only use it a few nights each winter, that would be worth it to me.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

See now finally the true diesel info comes to light. In my own world, if i cant heat the cabin idling a car i dont want it due to small kids needing heat.. And block heaters dont work away from your garage, like at work. Silly but thats my deal.

95% of the time i dont need 4x4 and could use diesels advantages, but the 5% other times makes me say 4x4 v8.

My buddy has a diesel truck he says the snow on the hood doesnt melt all winter... Cool engine,but cool engine.
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See now finally the true diesel info comes to light. In my own world, if i cant heat the cabin idling a car i dont want it due to small kids needing heat.. And block heaters dont work away from your garage, like at work. Silly but thats my deal.

95% of the time i dont need 4x4 and could use diesels advantages, but the 5% other times makes me say 4x4 v8.

My buddy has a diesel truck he says the snow on the hood doesnt melt all winter... Cool engine,but cool engine.
As has been said there may be an auxillary heater that is used on cold starts... might even turn out getting hot faster than your V8... we'll just have to wait and see once the diesel info starts being released and reviewed.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but does anyone have an informed opinion on whether we'll see the CRD available in a Laredo E trim? Perhaps the Aussies can chime in? Sorry, new here and wanted to understand if this is just supply and demand pricing dynamics in hopes that it would likely be available in a lower trim later on.
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See now finally the true diesel info comes to light. In my own world, if i cant heat the cabin idling a car i dont want it due to small kids needing heat.. And block heaters dont work away from your garage, like at work. Silly but thats my deal.

95% of the time i dont need 4x4 and could use diesels advantages, but the 5% other times makes me say 4x4 v8.

My buddy has a diesel truck he says the snow on the hood doesnt melt all winter... Cool engine,but cool engine.
If I lived somewhere really cold, I'd probably not buy one.

That being said, the vw has a piss poor heating system. People that have a diesel GC don't mention any issues, so I'm taking that as evidence the jeep is better.

I'll gladly trade the better mileage and range, as well as the grunty down low torque, for taking a little longer to warm up.

To each their own.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but does anyone have an informed opinion on whether we'll see the CRD available in a Laredo E trim? Perhaps the Aussies can chime in? Sorry, new here and wanted to understand if this is just supply and demand pricing dynamics in hopes that it would likely be available in a lower trim later on.
Limited and up in the us, overland and up in Canada for now.
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Cool engine,but cool engine.
Ha! Well put.

That's really one of my remaining concerns as well. I have a kid who isn't old enough to be out of a booster, so the heated rear seats won't help him either. On our 20 minute drive each morning, I'd prefer not to turn him into a child-cicle while I enjoy my heated seats and steering wheel. The whole point of remote start for me is to come out to a heated car.

The other issue is that I'm likely to do my coldest driving precisely when I'm furthest from a power outlet. The thought of doing some backcountry in the winter only to return to a vehicle that won't start because it's too cold for it's delicate sensibilities defeats the whole purpose for me.

I'm not convinced yet that either of my concerns is a valid concern, because it seems mostly VW guys having a problem, but I'm still a little nervous. It's a lot of money to spend only to get an engine I'm not happy with. I'm okay with some extra routine maintenance, but if my day to day experience is made less convenient I'm not interested.

The CRD sounds perfect on paper but real world sounds like it could be a temperamental PITA. The Hemi is fantastic but I'm tired of having a gas-guzzler. And the V6 is sort of uninspiring... great engine in the Wrangler but a little gutless in something as heavy as the GC.

This is the only thing holding up my order too.
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