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Old 02-03-2013, 04:38 PM
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Go to a vw or merc dealer and ask to see a Toureg or ml diesel "cold" and see what you think.

In Wisconsin the 2.0l TDI is a bit of an inconvenience when it gets really cold, but starts right up parked outside below zero. I don't think Denver sees any colder temps than we do normally.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but does anyone have an informed opinion on whether we'll see the CRD available in a Laredo E trim? Perhaps the Aussies can chime in? Sorry, new here and wanted to understand if this is just supply and demand pricing dynamics in hopes that it would likely be available in a lower trim later on.
As of now the CRD is not available with a Laredo trim WK2 if sales of it are thought to be suffering due to price it may be available at a later date but I wouldn't hold my breath as it appears the CRD is a ploy for CAFE numbers...at least that's what the haters are saying

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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Go to a vw or merc dealer and ask to see a Toureg or ml diesel "cold" and see what you think.

In Wisconsin the 2.0l TDI is a bit of an inconvenience when it gets really cold, but starts right up parked outside below zero. I don't think Denver sees any colder temps than we do normally.
I'm sure they "start"... I'm also of the opinion that they don't warm up until driven, like every diesel ever... I just didn't want to post my opinion on an engine I've never actually used. I still haven't heard from anyone who owns one that there IS an ancillary heater and it works to heat the car when it's really cold IN THE WK2 diesel.

I don't want a VW or MB, so I'm not going to see their cars, thanks though.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:46 AM
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but does anyone have an informed opinion on whether we'll see the CRD available in a Laredo E trim? Perhaps the Aussies can chime in? Sorry, new here and wanted to understand if this is just supply and demand pricing dynamics in hopes that it would likely be available in a lower trim later on.
Sorry but we won't be much help. Fiat Chrysler Australia decides what will sell and tells Detroit the specs it wants for export down here. So our vehicles have quite different trim levels. For example we get all three engines in all all three models, see Compare Models - Grand Cherokee . We don't get piss tanks, we don't get battery blankets but for some weird reason we get heated seats in all modes, rear as well in the Limited and Overland. The Overland also gets a heated steering wheel but nobody can work out why.

Yes the CRD runs cool which a boon for us in Oz. I've never had a issue with the heater not heating up quickly but then cold for us is +10C not bloody -40C.

BTW, Canada is a beautiful place to visit but from what I've read on this thread, OMG, I wouldn't want to live there.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Our Golf TDI has some kind of electric heater that pushes "warmer" air to help defrost the windshield and break the interior chill. I can't say that it is very warm-- but it is better than nothing. The engine takes 5-6 miles from our house to warm up during temps below freezing.

The gasser BMW relies on engine heat alone, so in theory you could turn it on and let it idle for about 10-15 minutes (thats illegal here). It takes exactly four miles to warm up in sub freezing temps. I have a 4.25 mile commute, so I get warm air just before I pull into the parking lot.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Okay, my experience owning both a gas Hemi GC and an 08 diesel GC is that both warm up inside equally well so I am not sure why some are questioning the heating capabilities inside the cabin. I can tell you if the diesel GC did not heat well, I would not consider it and it would never sell in most of Canada. Same experience with my MB diesel also. My defroster issues with the VW have little to do with the diesel engine but more to do with the defroster that apparently ceases up if very cold...

A block heater is useful for both gas engines and diesel engines in overnight temps at or below say, -20 Celsius or so (-4 Fahrenheit) and also if you don't drive your vehicle every day during very cold temps in winter....and of course, if you garage your vehicle every night in an enclosed garage, you may not need a block heater at all...

Can I just say that not everywhere in Canada are there very cold winters....like elsewhere, there are warmer areas in the country.. during winter....lol....for example, Vancouver is relatively warm during winter and rarely gets much snow itself (but just drive the short drive up the mountains to Whistler and you do get snow)....and Southern Ontario is generally warmer than Northern Ontario...

and there are infact much colder places to live in Canada other than Northern Ontario...for example, Newfoundland, out East, and up North in the Yukon, and NorthWest Territories...as well as the northern parts of every province....
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In 30 years of driving, I had never owned a Diesel until I bought my 2012 Overland, in Australia, the diesel is a $5k premium over the Pentastar and diesel is more expensive than gas.

Notwithstanding that, I am a convert. The CRD is such a fabulous drive I would never go back to gasoline.

Best thing is wait till it's released in the states and take one for a test drive.


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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Prejudices, prejudices

Most diesels nowadays have the auxiliary heater either in form of an electrical heated element within in the engine coolant (..starts heating once the engine is running) or even a small diesel powered heater. the latter can be sometimes be started either by a timer or remote control to have the vehivle warm inside once you enter it (..no 15 min idling by remote start allowed in europe)
So the diesel engine powered cars usually warm up at the same speed or even faster than gasoline powered engines (otherwise the Touareg wouldnt be as popular in Russia)

Maybe somebody can give some input about the system the VM engine uses, cant retrieve any information about that, but the service manual should contain it.

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but for some weird reason we get heated seats in all modes, rear as well in the Limited and Overland.
living in Sydney, worst we get is about -2C overnight. The misses LOVES!!!! her heated seats in our Pajero. It is a must for her now on all future cars. Me, I never turn them on if I am driving it.
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Isn't FAUEE a GM troll?????? Just kidding but you have to stop shooting people's puppies FAUEE
If you think I'm harsh on Jeep we should talk about GM stuff.

I just have high expectations, especially given how good the rest of the WK2 is. IMO, anything less than near perfection would be a weak point in the WK2 (like the new styling for instance).

Add in the scary idea of letting Jeep dealerships work on diesels again, the cost savings of not going diesel, and the reality of ownership lengths, I'm confident I made the right choice buying the Hemi.

If diesel prices fell significantly around me and Jeep turned around its service departments across the country (while maybe a dealership in a large metro area like Charlotte would be able to work on the diesels correctly, the dealership in little country towns will likely not have the proper tools or training to do the job right), and they stuffed all that into the original WK2 sheet metal I'd consider it.

Just seems that the diesels make more sense in Europe than they do here in the US.
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Prejudices, prejudices

Most diesels nowadays have the auxiliary heater either in form of an electrical heated element within in the engine coolant (..starts heating once the engine is running) or even a small diesel powered heater. the latter can be sometimes be started either by a timer or remote control to have the vehivle warm inside once you enter it (..no 15 min idling by remote start allowed in europe)
So the diesel engine powered cars usually warm up at the same speed or even faster than gasoline powered engines (otherwise the Touareg wouldnt be as popular in Russia)

Maybe somebody can give some input about the system the VM engine uses, cant retrieve any information about that, but the service manual should contain it.

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Prejudices? I guess. I'm just trying to figure out how I'd like a CRD. I know how gas engines work already. Today I've learned that you need an electric heater in the coolant of some diesels, and can't idle a car in Germany (because they're all dirty diesels...).

I have also learned that you need a heater in the urea tank here in USA because that freezes around 12F or so...

But I'm prejudiced, not the guy who says gas engines are so much more complicated than diesels... Having never owned one, I just want to know what I'm in for. I live where it can swing temps from 95-100F to -25F. I travel on pretty desolate roads all year. I don't take days off for weather issues. I trust my Hemi currently, and if I could trust a CRD it may be my next Jeep. I bought my hemi in a rush and have no regrets because I pretty much knew what I'd get. I'd like to know what I'm in for with a CRD before I look at them.

PS, just for fun I tried my block heater on my 2012 hemi for 3 hours at 7F... Didn't really seem to do much. Anyone have different experience? Idling this Jeep for 5 minutes does warm it up unlike my 1997 Tahoe that takes 15. I'm sure you've all noticed too when you open the door when it's on with remote start it somehow blows the fan stronger and does some wizardry to warm you up.. I don't understand it, but it seems to work..


Thanks for the honest answers. I really get the sense that there COULD be drawbacks for the CRD where I live, but I will not discount it as long as I'm getting 10/20 mpg with the hemi . PS, at -20f I get about 16mpg at 72mph. That's winter reality for you.

Oh, and as for ozzies not liking cold, didn't you have some record heat wave there? Oh man would I rather have cold than that. I XC ski here at 10F and it's like heaven ... I will see Australia before I die though.
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Prejudices? I guess. I'm just trying to figure out how I'd like a CRD. I know how gas engines work already. Today I've learned that you need an electric heater in the coolant of some diesels, and can't idle a car in Germany (because they're all dirty diesels...).

I have also learned that you need a heater in the urea tank here in USA because that freezes around 12F or so...

But I'm prejudiced, not the guy who says gas engines are so much more complicated than diesels... Having never owned one, I just want to know what I'm in for. I live where it can swing temps from 95-100F to -25F. I travel on pretty desolate roads all year. I don't take days off for weather issues. I trust my Hemi currently, and if I could trust a CRD it may be my next Jeep. I bought my hemi in a rush and have no regrets because I pretty much knew what I'd get. I'd like to know what I'm in for with a CRD before I look at them.

PS, just for fun I tried my block heater on my 2012 hemi for 3 hours at 7F... Didn't really seem to do much. Anyone have different experience? Idling this Jeep for 5 minutes does warm it up unlike my 1997 Tahoe that takes 15. I'm sure you've all noticed too when you open the door when it's on with remote start it somehow blows the fan stronger and does some wizardry to warm you up.. I don't understand it, but it seems to work..


Thanks for the honest answers. I really get the sense that there COULD be drawbacks for the CRD where I live, but I will not discount it as long as I'm getting 10/20 mpg with the hemi . PS, at -20f I get about 16mpg at 72mph. That's winter reality for you.

Oh, and as for ozzies not liking cold, didn't you have some record heat wave there? Oh man would I rather have cold than that. I XC ski here at 10F and it's like heaven ... I will see Australia before I die though.
I live in Colorado and skied at Breckenridge when it was -17 about a month ago. I will be buying a CRD and wont worry one bit. Technology has come a long way since 1982.

"Diesels" are not what most assume they are anymore.
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