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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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I am from Lincoln and live in Denver... temps don't get below zero too often in either location -- although they do get there. I am getting a CRD and I won't worry one bit about it....

Think about it this way -- when you get to -10, -15, -20 below zero you're probably going to want to use a block heater no matter what engine you have. If it gets colder than these temps both engines are going to have trouble starting.

These are modern diesels -- they aren't going to design an engine that doesn't start when it gets a little cold.

If it were me I would block out the temperature/starting debate when choosing between the CRD and HEMI.
I agree with you but when my wife drives to school I don't want her to worry about the Grand Cherokee starting when it's cold out after teaching all day because she won't have access to a plug in for the block heater. I don't so much worry about it here in Lincoln but rather if we were to move to Wisconsin in the next few years.

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I'm fairly new to this forum but it has been a very beneficial in evaluating the purchase of my next GC (had a '97 GC 4x4 previously). Thanks all. I live in Florida now and debating buying an Overland CRD or just sticking with the V6 4x2 (no need for 4x4 in Florida) and like to get opinions from you all. This will be my only vehicle and typically put around 10 to 12K per year. I am entertaining the diesel primarily for economy as I only have a small boat that is towed. Tend to keep cars 7 to 8 years. Daily commute to work is <4 miles and is a mix of city streets including a stretch of beach drive @~45mph. The remaining time is a mix of city and highway. There is a $0.40USD to $0.60USD difference in fuel cost and applying the V6/CRD city mileage figures, there is a very slight advantage with the CRD in terms of fuel costs. The advantage increases with more highway miles driven. I'm assuming that I'll get back around 50% of the diesel premium at resale. Not overly concerned with the remaining premium (after 8 years - I got my use out of the vehicle). I foresee gas prices continuing to spike in the USA, making the CRD more attractive over the long run.

My concern is reliability for the intended use based on comments regarding the DPF, long term maintenance costs, and the anticipated initial poor Jeep technical knowledge at the dealership for warranty and repair work on the CRD. Thoughts?
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Sounds like 4x2 V6 gas is your best bet.

BTW, I moved to Memphis from Palm Harbor, so I can picture your scenario.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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I'm fairly new to this forum but it has been a very beneficial in evaluating the purchase of my next GC (had a '97 GC 4x4 previously). Thanks all. I live in Florida now and debating buying an Overland CRD or just sticking with the V6 4x2 (no need for 4x4 in Florida) and like to get opinions from you all. This will be my only vehicle and typically put around 10 to 12K per year. I am entertaining the diesel primarily for economy as I only have a small boat that is towed. Tend to keep cars 7 to 8 years. Daily commute to work is <4 miles and is a mix of city streets including a stretch of beach drive @~45mph. The remaining time is a mix of city and highway. There is a $0.40USD to $0.60USD difference in fuel cost and applying the V6/CRD city mileage figures, there is a very slight advantage with the CRD in terms of fuel costs. The advantage increases with more highway miles driven. I'm assuming that I'll get back around 50% of the diesel premium at resale. Not overly concerned with the remaining premium (after 8 years - I got my use out of the vehicle). I foresee gas prices continuing to spike in the USA, making the CRD more attractive over the long run.

My concern is reliability for the intended use based on comments regarding the DPF, long term maintenance costs, and the anticipated initial poor Jeep technical knowledge at the dealership for warranty and repair work on the CRD. Thoughts?
Regarding drive distance and DPF/regen, our VW TDI is none the worse for wear being relegated to a 14 mile city stop and go round trip 5 days a week with an occasional long freeway hop on the weekends.

Wife is the primary driver, no complaints about the occasional regen. I check the oil level regularly and it does not move in in 5k-6k miles (we change before the 10k interval due to all city driving, going a year between oil changes just feels wrong) The oil level would go up if excessive regens were causing an issue.

I would expect the 3.0 VM motor to handle short trips similarly.

We could not justify the diesel based on any fuel savings, it was more the range and performance. Diesel really shines when you tow with it. For example, our little sportwagen routinely get 35-37 mpg at 70mph towing a pop-up camper (essentially a barn door). My truck gets 15 doing the same.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

My main concern with the DPF would not be the regens, rather it would be some knucklehead at the Jeep dealer putting regular oil in there instead of the low ash stuff. You would have to constantly be on top of them, and ask for empty bottles etc to make sure the right thing was done.
I would also be very concerned about the high pressure fuel pumps which as far as i know are the same Bosch ones VW uses and have been prone to failure in the US.
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My main concern with the DPF would not be the regens, rather it would be some knucklehead at the Jeep dealer putting regular oil in there instead of the low ash stuff. You would have to constantly be on top of them, and ask for empty bottles etc to make sure the right thing was done.
I would also be very concerned about the high pressure fuel pumps which as far as i know are the same Bosch ones VW uses and have been prone to failure in the US.
If the dealer puts the wrong oil in and the DPF blocks up then the dealer would be liable to fix it weather it is under warranty or not!.
This CRD engine has been available in Australia and Europe for almost 2 years now and I am yet to hear of any fuel pump failure, why would this be more likely in the US. ?
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Because of the ultra low sulfur diesel. Not sure what it does but apparently its favorite meal is Bosch fuel pumps.

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Intrestingly enough... if you check the thread, some of us guys in Denver came across some 2014 Jeeps in a hotel parking lot the last couple days... I noticed that one of them actually had a bosch label/sticker to the right of the rear window... maybe they were actuallly testing these pumps?
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Australia has ultra low sulpha diesel fuel, for years now and no issues with the modern diesels

Get over it and get on board its a modern world now.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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Australia has ultra low sulpha diesel fuel, for years now and no issues with the modern diesels

Get over it and get on board its a modern world now.
sssshhhh! Let them discover the magic of the CRD after our orders have been delivered ........otherwise I can see OZ orders put on the backburner to satisfy local demand. They ARE that good guys
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We could not justify the diesel based on any fuel savings, it was more the range and performance. Diesel really shines when you tow with it. For example, our little sportwagen routinely get 35-37 mpg at 70mph towing a pop-up camper (essentially a barn door). My truck gets 15 doing the same.
Totally agree! But also, if you have never driven a torquey car, you are in for a treat but watch the speed limits.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

So true!!!! The forum moderators are going to need heaps more server space and probably another dozen or so smileys just so our American friends can express their delight at such an awesome engine. Bet the fuel magnates are off their food at the moment knowing such a high powered frugal machine is being released to the masses!
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