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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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For pure, honest, day to day driving, you'd be hard pressed to see a huge difference between the MPG of the V6 and the CRD. The CRD will be better, but it won't be Earth shattering better then the V6. It will be quite a bit better than the V8 though.
Users on a local Australian forum are reporting that the V6 petrol uses about 30-45% more fuel than the diesel.
This is during normal daily driving.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Yeah, I should clarify.

You will see a difference. Conservitively 3-5MPG I'd estimate given the numbers on hand (though, it could be more).

But, it won't be mindblowing (like 10-15MPG).

Generally, petrol engines seem to come in closer to the lower end of the EPA estimates, in daily driving, while diesels tend to be more mid-estimate.

I am curious about this comment though:
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And there's NO WAY the diesel will perform like the hemi. Sorry, it won't.
In what way?

It will tow just as much with no where near the rev count required.
It will get far superior MPG (especially towing).
It's just as fast flying down the highway or in town.
It's just as fast (or faster given the official numbers from Jeep) offline line in 0-60.

If you mean it won't weaze like an old man up a mountain pass, you are right there... the CRD will not perform like a Hemi.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

..donīt worry about the CRD. In Germany most upper class SUVs are diesel powered with nice engines up to 8 cyl/ 385hp.
They usually have an auxiliary heater, most of the time due to emission control since a warm engine runs cleaner.
A modern diesel engine you might notice slightly in cold weather by a little harder engine noise, however, usually the difference to a gasoline powered engine is nowadays barely noticeable.
For Service: Usually diesel engines are pretty reliable and dont require special attention more than changing oil, oil and diesel filters. Thats even possible for not so well trained staff. However, if you need to open up the engine, expertise is needed.

There is kind of a hstorical hostility for diesel engines in the US, however, if you look at the millions of cars with diesel engines in Europe you really dont have to worry, especially because the diesel engien in the jeep is built by a reknown italian engien manufacturer for diesel engines (VM motori)

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Australia was similar to the US, hostile to diesel.
Then we cleaned up the quality of our diesel and got some good engines here, now there is a massive swing to them.
The CRD is the most demanded engine in Aus.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I had a Golf diesel 2 liter for 3 years, it was a 2006 model I believe. It was one of the last not to have a particulate filter. If you looked out the back on full throttle, there was diesel smoke, but if you drive normally you never saw or smelled smoke inside or outside.

It had bags of torque and was a great highway cruiser. That was the older generation of euro car diesels. Then they all got proper particulate filters. Then they added urea injection, and further optimised the economy and noise.

Walk into a vw yard and ask for a touareg test drive, tell em you're trying to decide between that and a Jeep CRD. Stand at the back with it idling see if you can smell anything. Take it for a drive and feel the hefty shove at low rpm, watch the gearbox keep the revs way low even if you push on. See if you can detect any diesel clatter in the car. I've driven the Q5 3.0 TDI, the Touarag the volvo XC60 diesel, the GC CRD, the range rover sport 3 liter diesel. They all sound, look and smell pretty much the same now: that is, great!

on a highway going up a steep ascent with cruise control on, they just don't need to change down from top gear. At 1500rpm they're making more power than the same displacement petrol engine at 3000rpm.

Get a box of disposable food preparation gloves for those diesel pumps where the diesel has got onto the handle. Once you get it on your fingers, a wet-one isn't enough to get it off.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

You can look forward to changing your EGR valves and intake manifold around 60K miles, since the EGR blows back soot into your intake manifold to "lower emissions"
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You can look forward to changing your EGR valves and intake manifold around 60K miles, since the EGR blows back soot into your intake manifold to "lower emissions"
What a load of rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!.
I've owned 4 diesels all with EGR, all have had more than 60k miles on them and not one has needed EGR or manifold replaced
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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Yeah, I should clarify.

You will see a difference. Conservitively 3-5MPG I'd estimate given the numbers on hand (though, it could be more).

But, it won't be mindblowing (like 10-15MPG).

Generally, petrol engines seem to come in closer to the lower end of the EPA estimates, in daily driving, while diesels tend to be more mid-estimate.
Yes, but it will get up and move a lot quicker than the v6 and tow more. All while performing the points you've mentioned.

Sure the v6 is great engine. Its a good selection for city/suburban stop and go and little to no towing IMO.

TS, just drive a touareg, and x5 35d. Do a few highway merges and ask yourself if the mountain of torque is worth an extra $12-$15 per fill up. To me it's a no brainer.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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What a load of rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!.
I've owned 4 diesels all with EGR, all have had more than 60k miles on them and not one has needed EGR or manifold replaced
he is out dated. Urea injection is another way of dealing with nox dealt with by EGR, in other words urea injection means less need for egr and clogged inlet manifolds. All the egr horror pictures are not urea injecting diesels. CRD like vw and mercedes has an adblue tank, yes?
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Now that the long awaited diesel is here the problem is the pricing. A Summit with diesel is $55K which is now in X5 territory. Considering BMW offers extra incentives on the diesel and includes free maintenance, the case for going Jeep has gotten much weaker for me. We are current owners of 2 BMWs (M3 & 535xiT) and was looking for a less expensive alternative to replace the wagon. The GC seemed like it had it all but now it is priced too close to the premium brands. The excessive chrome on the Summit and bad wheel choices is also a turn off. Disappointing...
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Now that the long awaited diesel is here the problem is the pricing. A Summit with diesel is $55K which is now in X5 territory. Considering BMW offers extra incentives on the diesel and includes free maintenance, the case for going Jeep has gotten much weaker for me. We are current owners of 2 BMWs (M3 & 535xiT) and was looking for a less expensive alternative to replace the wagon. The GC seemed like it had it all but now it is priced too close to the premium brands. The excessive chrome on the Summit and bad wheel choices is also a turn off. Disappointing...
So load up a limited with the diesel and save another $5-$6k...I find it interesting that people are getting upset that Chryfi is marketing their premium suv as a premium suv that is designed to directly compete with BMW et al. The Chrome overdose I agree with though it seems like they are marketing it to rap stars with all that bling.

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