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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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So load up a limited with the diesel and save another $5-$6k...I find it interesting that people are getting upset that Chryfi is marketing their premium suv as a premium suv that is designed to directly compete with BMW et al. The Chrome overdose I agree with though it seems like they are marketing it to rap stars with all that bling.

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The problem is that there are options not available on the Limited that you can only get on the Overland or Summit- ie. leather dash, premium stereo system, etc. If they offered everything a la carte, it might be a different story. As for Chrysler pricing at similar levels to the premium brands, I don't think they are where they need to be yet to justify it. The dealer/service experience plays a big role and it is far superior at BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. I may be willing to downgrade in that department but only for a significant savings.
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I guess it depends on your priorities. For me a virtually unbeatable 4wd system outweighs getting served a scone and a latte while buying a truck.Leather dash nice ...Overland. 19 speaker audio also nice...significantly better than the 9 speaker in the Overland? Maybe when parked after that road noise and movement destroy imaging. Everyone has different requirements and the GC meet mine better than the BMW and since having my vehicle to drive without weekly trips to the dealer Range Rover is out Enjoy your new truck...whatever you buy.

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Consider also the fact that diesel has turbocharger. Given the fact that you are at significant elevation you will see HUGE difference in performance between V6, V8 and diesel. Diesel will not loose as much power as V6 and V8.

If I was in your situation I would strongly consider diesel (if you can afford it). I'm still debating between V6 Overland or Limited with Diesel.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Thanks for all the viewpoints.

So last weekend I drove from Denver where it was 60 degrees F out to Steamboat Springs through steep uphill mountain passes. Jeep was parked outside and I woke up to -5 degree F weather.

Hemi people: How much struggle would I have had climbing from 6000 ft above sea level to 10-12.5k above sea level? That's steep grades and mountain passes?

CRD people: How much trouble would I have had starting the thing in the morning. Seat warmers and cabin heaters (if it has one) can make me comfortable, but will the thing start and drive in that weather after sitting outside all night?

This thread is great. Not making my decision any easier, but making it a lot more informed.
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:33 AM
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I've owned 2 diesel cars and I'm thinking about buying a CRD. I love driving a diesel for a number of reasons but most importantly for me is the fun factor. The torque is amazing. Great fuel economy is a nice bonus.

My current car, a 335d, has DEF and I've never had to refill it myself so that means it's only been refilled at the dealer (free maintenance) when getting oil changes.

No soot or black smoke from either my 2005 TDI or my current car. No smell at all.

Getting fuel is no different or more messy than regular gas at most civilized fuel stations. If you're in BFE, it might be different because you might need to use the truck fueling stations but at city stations, it's just like the gas.

Fuel is more expensive. In the winter, by a lot (about 20% more) so it makes the financial case a little less clear. It's frustrating but it is what it is.

My only current hesitation is the incredible premium for the CRD over either the V6 or the Hemi. That's not cool. I'm hoping that if these sit on lots for a while, we'll get some better deals.

One last thing - I can't speak to the cold weather starting/heating since I live in NC and park in my garage but they make block heaters to help the process in the winter. You should definitely look into that.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Does anyone know if the optional block heater is self-contained, or do you need to plug it into an outlet?

Also, with the Limited Lux, the diesel is only about $1k over the Hemi unless I calculated something wrong. I'm wondering too if maybe Jeep will offer some sort of incentive by the time of delivery. Depends on how serious they are about marketing the diesel as a purchase option vs marketing it's MPG to up fleet numbers. I'm not holding my breath, but I could see a rebate to stimulate initial sales, to be phased out as demand increases. Then again, it's Jeep.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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Now that the long awaited diesel is here the problem is the pricing. A Summit with diesel is $55K which is now in X5 territory. Considering BMW offers extra incentives on the diesel and includes free maintenance, the case for going Jeep has gotten much weaker for me. We are current owners of 2 BMWs (M3 & 535xiT) and was looking for a less expensive alternative to replace the wagon. The GC seemed like it had it all but now it is priced too close to the premium brands. The excessive chrome on the Summit and bad wheel choices is also a turn off. Disappointing...
Sure...a base model X5 3.5d STARTS @ $56k. Load it up with navi, upgraded leather seating, comfort package and other equal features and it's right at $66k. I despise the dealer "experience" with Jeep/Chrysler, whatever, but the BMW "experience" isn't worth $10k imo.
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Does anyone know if the optional block heater is self-contained, or do you need to plug it into an outlet?

Also, with the Limited Lux, the diesel is only about $1k over the Hemi unless I calculated something wrong. I'm wondering too if maybe Jeep will offer some sort of incentive by the time of delivery. Depends on how serious they are about marketing the diesel as a purchase option vs marketing it's MPG to up fleet numbers. I'm not holding my breath, but I could see a rebate to stimulate initial sales, to be phased out as demand increases. Then again, it's Jeep.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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Does anyone know if the optional block heater is self-contained, or do you need to plug it into an outlet?

Also, with the Limited Lux, the diesel is only about $1k over the Hemi unless I calculated something wrong. I'm wondering too if maybe Jeep will offer some sort of incentive by the time of delivery. Depends on how serious they are about marketing the diesel as a purchase option vs marketing it's MPG to up fleet numbers. I'm not holding my breath, but I could see a rebate to stimulate initial sales, to be phased out as demand increases. Then again, it's Jeep.
Check the math on that. I think it's $3k more because of the discount on the lux pack with the CRD. I'd love to be wrong though.
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Check the math on that. I think it's $3k more because of the discount on the lux pack with the CRD. I'd love to be wrong though.
From whats posted in the Pricing the CRD is a $4500 option and lux was around 3k?
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Also, with the Limited Lux, the diesel is only about $1k over the Hemi unless I calculated something wrong.
Ltd Diesel with Lux II Pack = $46,090
Ltd Hemi with Lux II Pack = $44,785

Difference = $1,305.

Smaller fry, now this is something that could be made up in fuel savings if that was a major concern.
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Oh. I was comparing it to the V6. The hemi is a better comparison, of course.
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