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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

You can do all the calculations you want. It may give you the best car but it won't be the car you want. Test drive the CRD, the Pentastar and the Hemi and your choice will be clear.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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Oh. I was comparing it to the V6. The hemi is a better comparison, of course.
Yeah, that is what he was referring to.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I'm not trying to argue, just discuss...

As to the CRD better than a hemi performance-wise...

I can tell you my v8 2012 JGC went to 11,000 feet being able to accelerate (slowly) in 4th at 75mph fully loaded with gear, cargo pod on top, and bike on back.

I've driven modern diesels. They have torque, but seriously, they're lame performance wise. They just are boring.

I am indeed considering one for mpg, but not performance.

I know there are a lot of Aussies on this forum, let's be straight, what are your fuel prices?

Mine are about US$ gas 3.10 gas; 3.40 diesel per gallon currently.

There is no doubt all that matters to many is miles/$ for fuel.

The lure for a long time with diesels was reliability and mpg (not performance)... Now reliability is in serious question as they are so complicated (such as auxiliary heater???, urea, electric everything...). MPG is important, but if gas is 3$/gallon, not so much...

The problem I personally have with the new diesel is I need to see its reliability for a few years before I replace a hemi V8.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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Thanks for all the viewpoints.

So last weekend I drove from Denver where it was 60 degrees F out to Steamboat Springs through steep uphill mountain passes. Jeep was parked outside and I woke up to -5 degree F weather.

Hemi people: How much struggle would I have had climbing from 6000 ft above sea level to 10-12.5k above sea level? That's steep grades and mountain passes?

CRD people: How much trouble would I have had starting the thing in the morning. Seat warmers and cabin heaters (if it has one) can make me comfortable, but will the thing start and drive in that weather after sitting outside all night?

This thread is great. Not making my decision any easier, but making it a lot more informed.

My above post was referring to Vail pass. I've not had a family vehicle that could accelerate up there at 75mph until now. (gas V8). I would think the CRD would be awesome there too given the turbo and high compression... Not sure about the reliability.
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Comnjeep you guys in the USA have no idea how cheap your fuel prices are!. At my current prices diesel would be @$6.40 a gallon, and gas would be @$5.75 a gallon in Europe the price is even worse, not to mention you pay $15,000 less to buy your GC to start with.
So quite your whining about the cost of diesel ;-)
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Best to buy what you like, want, or can afford.

Drive them all then buy the CRD as it will b the best
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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The lure for a long time with diesels was reliability and mpg (not performance)... Now reliability is in serious question as they are so complicated (such as auxiliary heater???, urea, electric everything...). MPG is important, but if gas is 3$/gallon, not so much...

The problem I personally have with the new diesel is I need to see its reliability for a few years before I replace a hemi V8.
What do you mean "complicated"? "Auxiliary heater", never heard of it and don't have one! "Urea", don't have a piss tank in the VM Motori CRDs. "Electric everything", shit it doesn't even have an ignition system, no dizzy, no coil, no high tension leads, no 16 spark plugs to replace like in the hemi. Will run under water. No smoke. No smell. Fuel won't explode with a spark. The fuel itself is a lubricant not like gasoline which washes away lubricant. Bullet proof block. Ask your mechanic when he last saw a worn out diesel. Huge flat torque curve low down, 550Nm (406lb-ft) 1,800-2,800rpm, will out drag the 5.7L hemi off lights. What's not to like?
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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"Urea", don't have a piss tank in the VM Motori CRDs.
Piss tank in the US.

But, that said, everything I've seen on the CRD points to something that offers performance, MPG, and great towing.

Honestly, my only three issues right now with the CRD are not really related to the engine at all:
  • Pricing on the engine (hoping they offfer incentives)
  • No extended or Lifetime Warranty (as best I can tell, again, hoping this changes when they roll out for purchase in April/May)
  • Diesel fuel cost
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I had a Golf diesel 2 liter for 3 years, it was a 2006 model I believe. It was one of the last not to have a particulate filter. If you looked out the back on full throttle, there was diesel smoke, but if you drive normally you never saw or smelled smoke inside or outside.

It had bags of torque and was a great highway cruiser. That was the older generation of euro car diesels. Then they all got proper particulate filters. Then they added urea injection, and further optimised the economy and noise.

Walk into a vw yard and ask for a touareg test drive, tell em you're trying to decide between that and a Jeep CRD. Stand at the back with it idling see if you can smell anything. Take it for a drive and feel the hefty shove at low rpm, watch the gearbox keep the revs way low even if you push on. See if you can detect any diesel clatter in the car. I've driven the Q5 3.0 TDI, the Touarag the volvo XC60 diesel, the GC CRD, the range rover sport 3 liter diesel. They all sound, look and smell pretty much the same now: that is, great!

on a highway going up a steep ascent with cruise control on, they just don't need to change down from top gear. At 1500rpm they're making more power than the same displacement petrol engine at 3000rpm.

Get a box of disposable food preparation gloves for those diesel pumps where the diesel has got onto the handle. Once you get it on your fingers, a wet-one isn't enough to get it off.
At the "12 Hours of Sebring" in Sebring, FL this March, just like every March recently, the Fastest, Quietest and the most reliable cars in the race are diesels. A Diesel Race Car has won in 2006-Audi,2007-Audi,2009-Audi,2010-Peugeot,2011-Peugeot,2012-Audi. If they were all diesels you wouldn't need ear plugs anymore at the races and it would be a lot more competitive.
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Does anyone know if the optional block heater is self-contained, or do you need to plug it into an outlet?

Also, with the Limited Lux, the diesel is only about $1k over the Hemi unless I calculated something wrong. I'm wondering too if maybe Jeep will offer some sort of incentive by the time of delivery. Depends on how serious they are about marketing the diesel as a purchase option vs marketing it's MPG to up fleet numbers. I'm not holding my breath, but I could see a rebate to stimulate initial sales, to be phased out as demand increases. Then again, it's Jeep.
I know for sure you need an outlet and an extension cord; and it needs to have been on for at least an hour to do any good. I can't remember where I read this but I believe it was for the 2013 Diesel export or out of the new 2014 manual.

Also, I don't know of any that don't work this way.
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At my current prices diesel would be @$6.40 a gallon, and gas would be @$5.75 a gallon
You are in Darwin, so that is even worse.
Here in Sydney, todays average diesel is $5.60 per gallon and premium unleaded is $5.49.

You just have to drive it. Even though it has a quicker 0-60 time than the V8, it does it differently of course as it does not have that quick spin up, so it feels more muted.
If you need to overtake at speed, well you are already in the meat of the torque so you just go straight away, no wind up required.

If you are towing, forget about it, there is no competition.
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Once electric motors finally get the battery tech they need, they will put all gas and diesel engines to shame.
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