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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Does anyone know whether the CRD will be compatible with B20 diesel blends? I have a station next to my house that sells it. They are marketing this beast as ecodiesel, right?
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I took them both up a street here in Seattle... E Roy. It's about a 26 degree slope.

If anything will make a rig down shift, that road will...
Not sure what the slope is to get up into the mountains here. It's likely less, our mountains are mere hills compared to the Rockies

FWIW, expect this downshifting issue to be more prevalent with the 8 speed transmission. The whole point of more gears is to have more shifts, so that transmission will drop even more gears than the 5/6 speed we have now.

City driving is where the diesel advantage is nullified. Diesels are great for keeping moving at highway speeds. In stop and go situations, gasoline works better, and hybrids work best. If you do mainly city driving and are expecting to see a mileage boost from a diesel, you're just wasting money buying the diesel.
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Does anyone know whether the CRD will be compatible with B20 diesel blends? I have a station next to my house that sells it. They are marketing this beast as ecodiesel, right?
B5.

B20 you will want to keep an eyeball on your crankshaft oil levels like a hawk.

Bio doesn't get along well with the way they setup the emissions control system in this engine.

...it's really obnoxious the way they designed it (from what I can tell).
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Does anyone know whether the CRD will be compatible with B20 diesel blends? I have a station next to my house that sells it. They are marketing this beast as ecodiesel, right?
I read somewhere the maximum was B5, just like my 2009 Jetta Diesel. Since I see B20 so rarely I don't worry about it. Although, it is getting more common and I have put 60 gallons of it in my motorhome with out noticing until I was done. I actually didn't know until now my Cummins ISL was compatible with B20. Though, I probably wouldn't run with it all the time, in my TDI or GC EcoDiesel, because of the requirements of the manufacturer. There are additives that might help the situation. They are constantly testing and working on a day when Biodiesel won't be a problem. In older, pre 2007 vehicles biodiesel makes for less pollution. The new diesels expel hardly any particulates into the air. It will be nice someday to have the choice to be carbon neutral.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Why would any one want to crap fuel like a diesel blend in such a good motor

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I've noticed the b20 is a little cheaper in my area than regular diesel. I'm not sure if it would be more environmentally friendly to use the bio blends or not. Right now I'm just looking at it from a price perspective.
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From a price perspective, you're better off buying a V6. If price to operate is a concern, you should be buying the V6, not the diesel. You will most likely never break even on the diesel.
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From a price perspective, you're better off buying a V6. If price to operate is a concern, you should be buying the V6, not the diesel. You will most likely never break even on the diesel.
I think the question should be a comparison of price to operate versus the Hemi. If you are just trying to save as much money as possible, then the V6 seems the obvious choice. But if you want more power then it's Hemi or diesel, and that's where the real cost comparison would be interesting.

I want more power than the V6 for offroading and carrying gear and passengers up mountain passes. And I also want good fuel economy and long range, so the diesel is mighty tempting. Only thing holding me back is fear of the emissions controls that I don't have any experience with. For someone like me price to operate is a consideration, but it's not the only consideration. The diesel seems a good compromise between power and lifetime cost.
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I think the question should be a comparison of price to operate versus the Hemi. If you are just trying to save as much money as possible, then the V6 seems the obvious choice. But if you want more power then it's Hemi or diesel, and that's where the real cost comparison would be interesting.

I want more power than the V6 for offroading and carrying gear and passengers up mountain passes. And I also want good fuel economy and long range, so the diesel is mighty tempting. Only thing holding me back is fear of the emissions controls that I don't have any experience with. For someone like me price to operate is a consideration, but it's not the only consideration. The diesel seems a good compromise between power and lifetime cost.
The Hemi has a range of over 500 miles on the highway. You're going to have to stop for yourself before you'd have to stop for fuel.

People keep bringing up the diesel as a power alternative. It's not going to be anywhere near as powerful as the Hemi. It's nearly 150hp less powerful than the Hemi, and only offers 10 torque more. And that torque is all down really, really low - it falls flat on its face when really pushed.

The diesel has its place, it's a great mix of towing torque and fuel economy. It's not going to be a speedster, those expecting it to perform like a Hemi are out of their minds, it's far more likely it will perform just above the normal V6 (which still has a nearly 70hp advantage over the CRD).

There's other factors that should come into play too. With the piss tank, you're most likely going to lose your spare tire and will have to use fix-a-flat and/or runflat tires. Said piss tank has to be refueled. Diesel production is far lower in the US than gasoline, so price increases for it are guaranteed to exceed that of gasoline as more demand for it is created (but not enough to warrant a new refinery). Heck, a lot of gas station don't even HAVE diesel.
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The Hemi has a range of over 500 miles on the highway. You're going to have to stop for yourself before you'd have to stop for fuel.

People keep bringing up the diesel as a power alternative. It's not going to be anywhere near as powerful as the Hemi. It's nearly 150hp less powerful than the Hemi, and only offers 10 torque more. And that torque is all down really, really low - it falls flat on its face when really pushed.

The diesel has its place, it's a great mix of towing torque and fuel economy. It's not going to be a speedster, those expecting it to perform like a Hemi are out of their minds, it's far more likely it will perform just above the normal V6 (which still has a nearly 70hp advantage over the CRD).

There's other factors that should come into play too. With the piss tank, you're most likely going to lose your spare tire and will have to use fix-a-flat and/or runflat tires. Said piss tank has to be refueled. Diesel production is far lower in the US than gasoline, so price increases for it are guaranteed to exceed that of gasoline as more demand for it is created (but not enough to warrant a new refinery). Heck, a lot of gas station don't even HAVE diesel.
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The Hemi has a range of over 500 miles on the highway. You're going to have to stop for yourself before you'd have to stop for fuel.

People keep bringing up the diesel as a power alternative. It's not going to be anywhere near as powerful as the Hemi. It's nearly 150hp less powerful than the Hemi, and only offers 10 torque more. And that torque is all down really, really low - it falls flat on its face when really pushed.

The diesel has its place, it's a great mix of towing torque and fuel economy. It's not going to be a speedster, those expecting it to perform like a Hemi are out of their minds, it's far more likely it will perform just above the normal V6 (which still has a nearly 70hp advantage over the CRD).

There's other factors that should come into play too. With the piss tank, you're most likely going to lose your spare tire and will have to use fix-a-flat and/or runflat tires. Said piss tank has to be refueled. Diesel production is far lower in the US than gasoline, so price increases for it are guaranteed to exceed that of gasoline as more demand for it is created (but not enough to warrant a new refinery). Heck, a lot of gas station don't even HAVE diesel.
You may be right, but it depends on where you want power. Where I usually run out of power is trying to climb some obstacle off road. Not having to rev the crap out of the engine to reach peak power is fantastic. I'm not saying having the HP of the Hemi wouldn't be nice...and I'm not really sure what the torque curve on the Hemi looks like. It may have great lowdown torque as well.

The biggest thing for me though is altitude and power loss. I'm not sure what a Hemi is able to produce at 10,000+ feet above sea level. I'm still not sold one way or another.

Still, my point was that I bet most people on the fence about the diesel are debating between it and the Hemi, not it and the V6. Could be wrong.


As an aside, range isn't just about how long I can go between potty breaks. It's also how many days of driving 50+ miles roundtrip to work I can go without stopping for fuel. That's 4 more days between fill-ups, which can be a blessing when you work the hours I do (especially if you're like me and try to figure out how long you can stay in bed without being late).
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Still, my point was that I bet most people on the fence about the diesel are debating between it and the Hemi, not it and the V6. Could be wrong.
Actually I debate between V6 and diesel. Well ... for the same or better fuel economy you get more power than V6. Unfortunately, what's turning me away is:
- hefty price tag for diesel
- all the emission stuff - maintenance and reliability

Just cannot justify myself to jump into something untested here in the US and pay $4500 premium over V6 for just an engine. Adding 10% to the price of the car is just not worth the risk for me.

Personally I do think that Chrysler really is not planing (or cares) to sell a lot of those trucks. I think they just need diesel to offset CAFE and for marketing of 30 mpg SUV.
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