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Old 01-28-2013, 05:39 PM
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I mentioned in another thread, test drove a v6, then a crd , the v6 nowhere near the performance of the diesel, had to floor it where as only about a quarter throttle in the crd for the same performance, my laredo overtakes on the highway and hits 160km with each pass easily, amazing engine v8 performance but with low down torque around town always over the speed limit the highway the same, was a 5000 dollar option over the v6 but worth every cent because it makes the jeep heaps more enjoyable to drive,i am used to high performance v8's , also owning a 475hp chev 6 ltr, but don't miss it at all when taking out the crd, that's how good it is!!, when it gets test driven in the usa you will all understand, ps also getting more than a 1000 km's a tank, love!!!!!!!!!! It.
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(especially if you're like me and try to figure out how long you can stay in bed without being late).
I do this every day.

Nobody is disputing the claims that the CRD is a low 8 second to 60 car. They're disputing the absurd claim that the Hemi is a mid 8 second car. We have lots of proof that says the 0-60 is a lot faster than is claimed overseas in the Hemi. So where's the proof the CRD is faster? There is none, because it isn't.

I'm sure the CRD is a fine engine. But so is the Hemi, and which one is better will come down to which is more important to you - price and power, or highway fuel economy.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:01 PM
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

The crd matches the hemi on the highway but kills it in city driving where it's superior low down torque 550 nm from 1500 to 2800 revs comes into play almost instantly.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

Which is faster 0-60 seems like such a weird debate. If I wanted a fast car that was great in the snow I'd do what my buddy did and buy an Audi S4. But I've said before that I don't get the SRT so I might be the weirdo here.

Still, what interests me is low down power off road and the ability to accelerate uphill in the mountain passes. I'm sure the Hemi and Diesel will both perform admirably in both areas. The numbers say the diesel will be a little better off road, and the Hemi a little better at highway speeds uphill at altitude. I don't expect the difference will be substantial on either, though driving style will be. (And if you are towing heavy loads, which I'm not, the diesel seems the obvious choice.)

I consider those things real world performance, not 0-60 times. Who cares whether one or either engine is slightly faster 0-60? Mid 8s? Mid 7s?? Neither is fast by any standard, but its an SUV. An SUV should have a 0-60 time that indicates it can get out of its own way and perform safely given its weight in traffic. If you want to race light to light buy a sports car, I say.

In real world situations, the difference in performance is not likely worth quibbling about, but the MPGs are appealing. The price premium is not worth it, however, in my opinion, except on the Limited Lux where it's only really a $1300 premium. ANY other trim and its not worth it.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

I would think the CRD would be better the further up the mountain you go. Just a factor of the turbo truthfully.

I've not noticed any loss of power up to 6000'. That's as high of a mountain as you can get around here. Past that the Hemi may lose a good bit of power, don't really know. It didn't seem to lose any power going from sea level in Florida to 1000' here. My old vehicle however, did.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

That's the one thing that sucks about Colorado. I START at 6000' and go up from there. My current Jeep has the pathetic 3.8L with really low axle gearing at 5.13. It's barely tolerable in the city, but in the mountain passes it might as well have a moped engine. You remember that scene from Dumb and Dumber?

I took it home to Chicagoland once. Felt like the thing was gonna wheelie. Always jealous of people that drive at sea level. I so rarely get to feel what an engine is actually designed to do.
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That's the one thing that sucks about Colorado. I START at 6000' and go up from there.
If I was in CO I would not even have this discussion ... Given your location, no brainer. From the reviews so far V6 is barely adequate at sea level and even with 8 speed with struggle. With V8 you will lose quite a lot of power. With CRD you will get your money worth.

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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

The CRD is a "performance option without an economy penalty" -- not an economy option. You will achieve break even, but when depends on the miles per year driven, whether you tow, the cost of diesel relative to gasoline, and whether you compare it to the v8 or v6. My personal preference after driving the pentastar, hemi, and a 3.0 TDI -- would be the the CRD.

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Also everywhere else price of HEMI = price of Diesel. Here price of hemi = 1/2 price of Diesel. I would imagine the 1/2 difference is due to all the emission control hacks they put in just to pass the smog test.
Maybe it is the other way around. Maybe we’re incurring some sort of fee due to the V8, and you are not. (talking out of my ass on this one, I have no idea)

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So where's the proof the CRD is faster? There is none, because it isn't.
You know that works both ways right?

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That's the one thing that sucks about Colorado. I START at 6000' and go up from there. My current Jeep has the pathetic 3.8L with really low axle gearing at 5.13. It's barely tolerable in the city, but in the mountain passes it might as well have a moped engine. You remember that scene from Dumb and Dumber?

I took it home to Chicagoland once. Felt like the thing was gonna wheelie. Always jealous of people that drive at sea level. I so rarely get to feel what an engine is actually designed to do.
Agree with the other guy. At your altitude, I wouldn't consider anything non turbo. They still get the altitude penalty, but it's not as severe.

I'm curious if diesels react better/worse than gasoline powered vehicles to altitude. Quick google searching only comes up with info saying that they start to spew out black soot, but they're talking about older diesels from the late 80s and early 90s there, so dunno about all that being relevant.
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Re: Diesel People - Enlighten Me? (2014)

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At the 24 Hours of Le Mans, every year since 2006, a diesel has won.

At the 12 hours of Sebring Every year since 2006 except one, a diesel has won.

The first year(2012) of the "FIA World Endurance Championship" an Audi Diesel won. They raced three versions of their R18 diesels, finishing the season with the R18 e-tron quattro.

In 2013 the U.S. race is moving from Sebring to the new "Circuit of the Americas" in Austin, TX.
The "6 Hours of Austin" is Sept 22, 2013.


Cool logo.

Those are all prototype race cars. It's like saying gas (alcohol) engines win indy or F1 every year so there, proof they're better in a Jeep...

No one puts money into P1 cars like Audi does, they win because of that.


I don't think I've personally made up stuff on this thread, I'm just trying to educate and learn.. I still am waiting to hear from someone in a COLD climate if these things warm up within say a 5 mile drive to heat the cabin or not.. Diesel cars I've been in don't do so hot at -15F. Anyone? Sweden?

There are a whole mess of - maybe irrelevant or not - issues with diesels in US for possible buyers. For example: lack of filling stations in some places, changes in temperature drastically in 1 month where I live, lack of knowledge of these engines in the repair shop (which in USA can be 160 miles from your home), cheaper gas engines, cheaper gas than diesel, little experience with diesel maintenance by owners who care to do their own stuff, urea and emission control regulations changing the perfect euro/oz engines... If you don't see these as issues, you probably live outside USA.

For most it will come down to cost / mile by about 100,000 miles. I'm not sure the CRD will beat the V6 for that, probably the V8.

I really have a hard time thinking a new CRD / 8 speed JEEP (of all things) will be easier to own than a hemi jeep considering, most importantly, reliability. If I overcome that thought (by seeing them perform in USA) then my next move may be to trade to one from my hemi (when gas is 5$).

I'll trade my Z06 for an R8d when pigs fly (burning diesel )..

It's all good. Can't wait to see them around.
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The only difference in emission control between current GC CRD and the one the USA is getting is urea injection, the vm motor is already euro5 compliant.
I really can not see urea making this motor significantly more unreliable .
In many places in Australia diesel is more expensive than gas ( it certainly is in Darwin NT Australia, 5-10 cents per liter , (15-30 cents per gallon) ).
And just to give you some perspective in Australia we pay about the same for the Laredo as you guys in he USA pay for the Overland! (Laredo CRD @$55,000 )
So in the USA you guys get way cheaper fuel and way cheaper cars, this is why people in Australia and Europe go for the option that gives the best usable performance with the best MPG
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